Know the condition of your Glock? - Page 2

jfl · January 6th, 2009, 11:53 PM

I have had and carried Glocks since ... I can't really remember !
Never thought of that, great point. Thanks RR.

First Sgt · January 7th, 2009, 02:40 PM

Thanks RR. Learned something very valuable today.

Glock30SF · January 8th, 2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ram Rod

Yes, that's my suggestion. Even that way, removing it from storage won't give you a ND. This is what I do on a daily basis, and possibly more than once per day depending. Clear that Glock unless you are carrying it and dry fire on the empty chamber.

I just wanted to give the new sub-forum a boost, and also not to hear of any more ND's with Glocks for any reason.

You may want to learn about bullet setback! This presents a much more real danger then a loaded chamber.

IMO you are 'playing' with your pistol too much. Leave it loaded ready to go. Always exercise the 4 rules:

(1) All guns are always loaded!
(2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy!
(3) Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target!
(4) Always be sure of your target and beyond!

Ram Rod · January 8th, 2009, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glock30SF

You may want to learn about bullet setback! This presents a much more real danger then a loaded chamber.

IMO you are 'playing' with your pistol too much. Leave it loaded ready to go.

You know...I figured this wouldn't be long before it appeared. I figure it warrants another separate thread in the forum instead of dragging one down. How's about posting about that and rotating your carry rounds in the magazine and so forth? And shooting up your carry rounds when it's time? Why not just take a poll of those who do just as I do and unload at some point in the day? Solicit the LEO's who administratively load and unload each day and how much of an issue it is with them?

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Leave it loaded ready to go.

In and out of the safe....in and out of the holster.....against your body, or on the couch? In my opinion, leaving a loaded chamber Glock induces complacency over time and then we hear about the ND's. I appreciate the challenge, and we appreciate your support.
BTW...I already know about bullet set back.

Thanis · January 8th, 2009, 01:23 AM

Shame on me, but I have started to carry a practice round as my in the barrel round (followed by the hollow points). I carry a Glock .357 Sig, so I feel even the practice FMJ round is a capable SD round. I always make sure to use the round I have been chambering next time I hit the range (thus no set back concerns).

There is a slightly greater concern for set back with a bottle necked round IMO. I just can't afford to keep buying the 125 GR. SXT Winchester Ranger rounds. I have considered purchashing a lower cost hollow point and using that as my one in the barrel round.

SonofASniper · January 8th, 2009, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thanis

Shame on me, but I have started to carry a practice round as my in the barrel round (followed by the hollow points). I carry a Glock .357 Sig, so I feel even the practice FMJ round is a capable SD round. I always make sure to use the round I have been chambering next time I hit the range (thus no set back concerns).

There is a slightly greater concern for set back with a bottle necked round IMO. I just can't afford to keep buying the 125 GR. SXT Winchester Ranger rounds. I have considered purchashing a lower cost hollow point and using that as my one in the barrel round.

In my experience, it doesn't matter if it is a bottleneck round or not. I have had many bullets affected with setback issues because I did not rotate. My Glock 20 (10 mm) seems to be the worse one and I get about 3 chamberings on one round before it significantly alters the bullet setback.

Personally, all of my weapons that I use regularly for defense purposes are consistently ready to go at all times. They are either locked up or on me, and I have a different routine in how I treat those weapons. The rest of my weapons that do not see everyday use stay completely unloaded and are in the big safe for storage.

When I do carry a long gun in the vehicle, the magazines are loaded but none of them are in the gun itself. When a shotgun, I may have the tube loaded, but no rounds in the chamber.

Ram Rod wrote a good post, and he has some good ideas and they are not bad to consider in your everyday routine for your firearms.

farronwolf · January 8th, 2009, 03:46 PM

I guess I will continue to leave my wife's 19 with one in the chamber and ready to go when in the safe. She choose the Glock because she didn't want to have to worry about a safety or decoker or any other thing if she needed to use a gun. She is still waiting on her license to get back, so she isn't carrying during the day yet.

But back to my point. She choose her particular gun because she wanted to pick it up and pull the trigger and have it go boom if she ever needed to. I don't think it is wise to leave her gun in a different condition when at home than it will be when she is carrying it. She wants a gun that will go bang when she pulls the trigger with no other action required, that is what she will have.

Thanis · January 9th, 2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by farronwolf

... She wants a gun that will go bang when she pulls the trigger with no other action required, that is what she will have.

My thoughts as well. However, with the trigger set back, it is clear the slide needs to be racked.

Still, I can't disagree with what you are stating farronwolf. To each their own.

I think I'll contine to go as ramrod stated because it more closely satisfies firearm safety rules and less wear on the spring.

AzQkr · January 9th, 2009, 01:29 AM

Been leaving the glocks I'm going to be using anytime soon loaded since 88 with the first gen g17.

I see no need to unload, rack slide, visually check chamber, slide down and pull the trigger all the time. I presently have three glocks loaded in the house, the 21sf I'm carrying and two g17 3rd gens in the bedroom walk in closet.

The rest of the 12 glocks [ 9 of them sit with mag in gun, no rds in mag or chamber just the way I buy them and they come shipped in the box.

I understand RR's reasoning, but I know which guns are loaded, I don't put the booker hook inside the trigger guard when I pick up a handgun [ or any other firearm ] and know the two 17 and the 21sf are loaded at all times so there's no question if they have rds in chamber and are "good to go" when and if I pick them up.

Not to take the thread adrift, but bullet setback has ocurred loading and unloading the same cartridge, I've seen it myself on more than one occasion myself. Not often, but it's something one needs to watch for when re-chambering rds repeatedly.

Brownie

Glock30SF · January 9th, 2009, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram Rod

You know...I figured this wouldn't be long before it appeared. I figure it warrants another separate thread in the forum instead of dragging one down.

BTW...I already know about bullet set back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thanis

I think I'll contine to go as ramrod stated because it more closely satisfies firearm safety rules

Just trying to educate and do a CYA for you. I still don't think Thanis knows what "bullet setback" is(as don't many others reading this). I know you are just trying to help others and if you shoot your carry load often you MAY never have a problem. There are people who will read YOUR post, follow YOUR advise and have a serious problem(ie:KABOOM). Again just wanted to help you CYA. And since a good amount of Glock owners carry .40(although any caliber can be a problem) it can become an issue very quickly.

Also for others who don't know "bullet setback" can occur on any brand not just Glock.

January 6th, 2009, 11:53 PM	#11
jfl Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Palm Beach County, FL Posts: 1,344	I have had and carried Glocks since ... I can't really remember ! Never thought of that, great point. Thanks RR. __________________ The first rule of a gunfight: "Don't be there !" jfl (NRA Life Member/Instructor - GOA - IDPA - GSSF - ex-IHMSA)

January 7th, 2009, 02:40 PM	#12
First Sgt Distinguished Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Florence, SC Posts: 1,786	Thanks RR. Learned something very valuable today. __________________ Sometimes in life you have to stand your ground. It's a hard lesson to learn and even most adults don't get it, but in the end only I can be responsible for my life. If faced with any type of adversity, only I can overcome it. Waiting for someone else to take responsibility is a long fruitless wait.

January 8th, 2009, 03:46 PM	#17
farronwolf VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 2,550	I guess I will continue to leave my wife's 19 with one in the chamber and ready to go when in the safe. She choose the Glock because she didn't want to have to worry about a safety or decoker or any other thing if she needed to use a gun. She is still waiting on her license to get back, so she isn't carrying during the day yet. But back to my point. She choose her particular gun because she wanted to pick it up and pull the trigger and have it go boom if she ever needed to. I don't think it is wise to leave her gun in a different condition when at home than it will be when she is carrying it. She wants a gun that will go bang when she pulls the trigger with no other action required, that is what she will have. __________________ Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.

January 9th, 2009, 01:29 AM	#19
AzQkr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the Superstitions Posts: 1,771	Been leaving the glocks I'm going to be using anytime soon loaded since 88 with the first gen g17. I see no need to unload, rack slide, visually check chamber, slide down and pull the trigger all the time. I presently have three glocks loaded in the house, the 21sf I'm carrying and two g17 3rd gens in the bedroom walk in closet. The rest of the 12 glocks [ 9 of them sit with mag in gun, no rds in mag or chamber just the way I buy them and they come shipped in the box. I understand RR's reasoning, but I know which guns are loaded, I don't put the booker hook inside the trigger guard when I pick up a handgun [ or any other firearm ] and know the two 17 and the 21sf are loaded at all times so there's no question if they have rds in chamber and are "good to go" when and if I pick them up. Not to take the thread adrift, but bullet setback has ocurred loading and unloading the same cartridge, I've seen it myself on more than one occasion myself. Not often, but it's something one needs to watch for when re-chambering rds repeatedly. Brownie __________________ The mind is the limiting factor http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php

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January 8th, 2009, 01:23 AM	#15
Thanis Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,699	Shame on me, but I have started to carry a practice round as my in the barrel round (followed by the hollow points). I carry a Glock .357 Sig, so I feel even the practice FMJ round is a capable SD round. I always make sure to use the round I have been chambering next time I hit the range (thus no set back concerns). There is a slightly greater concern for set back with a bottle necked round IMO. I just can't afford to keep buying the 125 GR. SXT Winchester Ranger rounds. I have considered purchashing a lower cost hollow point and using that as my one in the barrel round.