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Basic Gun Handling & Safety Basic handling and safety are two of the most important aspects of responsible gun ownership. This area is devoted to the basics and we hope new gun owners will utilize it as a reference, as well as a comfortable place to ask questions.

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Old May 6th, 2009, 12:20 AM   #11
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"Treat every firearm as if it were loaded"

Complacency is not a form of safety, no matter how much we think we know. There is no room for error, only mistake. Glad you discovered it before the customer.
Almost didn't! The customers jaw almost hit the floor when the round ejected. Me? I almost crapped my pants.

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One of the selling points that convinced me to get an XD45 compact was that you can feel the top of the slide in the dark and tell if a round is chambered.
Wouldn't and didn't matter in this case. I failed to rack the slide prior to allowing the customer to handle the weapon. While they are nice I guess, I don't trust the tactile indicators completely. Now, I can't trust myself!

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Every time I pick up one of my guns I lock the slide back and check the chamber, even though no one else has touched it. It's become automatic with me now.
It will be with me as well. This was horrible. So mad, angry, embarrassed and scared.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 12:42 AM   #12
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Safety is a 2 way street

1) You should always lock open the slide and check clear before storing and if you forgot that then your backup safety is before handing over any firearm to another person.

Your mistake

2) Anyone accepting a firearm also needs to confirm it is indeed unloaded. Just in case you forget to.

Customers mistake

Failing all this provided the firearm is always pointed in a safe direction then the risk of injury or death is close to nil.

A typical trip to the range and back home for me is

1) remove from safe, check unloaded and box
2) remove from box at range check unloaded and bench
3) check unloaded, place in box, take home
4) remove from box check unloaded, place in safe
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Old May 6th, 2009, 12:44 AM   #13
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Ive actually had the reverse happen. I had been carrying my Bersa and went do my weekly check, pop out the mag, rack the slide to eject the round.....nothing, I pull back the slide and look in which is the next step. No round in the chamber......I was about to crap myself. This would have really sucked had I needed it. Then I realized I had cleared the chamber earlier that day do to my visiting a friends house. They have a rule to let me carry in their place, no round in the chamber. I had forgotten to rechamber it. Now ive gotten in the habit of checking every morning now.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 02:19 AM   #14
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Have you spoken to the store owner about this?

Boss or not, his feet should be held to the fire, too.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 02:25 AM   #15
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Thanks for posting. Always a good reminder.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 03:02 PM   #16
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...Owner of the store occasionally carries some of the weapons we get in stock. I wish this didn't happen, but I don't own the store. He does.
This is a very poor business practice on the part of the store owner.
Further he is now _using_ the firearm only to turn around and later sell it to some unsuspecting customer as being 'factory in the box new'.
That is not right.

Double error on the part of the business owner which was the catalyst for this event.

Never mind the error made by _both_ you and the customer as neither of you in your haste thought to check and open the action of the firearm prior to transferring it to each other.
Myself when a person hands me firearm they have not opened the action toward and checked at least visually if not by tactile pinky inspection...that immediately puts me on guard as to question their firearm knowledge set and skills overall.
This is akin to handing over the keys of an automobile to another person taking them from a car that has been left in neutral _and_ with no parking brake actuated, not thinking on their part to apply either.

Be careful.

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Old May 6th, 2009, 03:06 PM   #17
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Wow.

Just wow......
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Old May 6th, 2009, 05:37 PM   #18
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One of the selling points that convinced me to get an XD45 compact was that you can feel the top of the slide in the dark and tell if a round is chambered.

I feel very confident that the indicator was up, showing that there was a round chambered. But..unless you are familiar with that weapon, you wouldnt know what the indicator is for. Personally I love that feature, and I trust it on my XD. That doesnt stop me from checking though! But we all make mistakes! Thanks for sharing.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #19
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I feel very confident that the indicator was up, showing that there was a round chambered. But..unless you are familiar with that weapon, you wouldnt know what the indicator is for. Personally I love that feature, and I trust it on my XD. That doesnt stop me from checking though! But we all make mistakes! Thanks for sharing.
I have carried my XD45 for three years now. I am familiar with the loaded chamber indicator. I am simply saying that I failed to CHECK it and failed to clear the weapon. However, I am not one to trust the indicators 100%.

Opening the slide up to me is what I should have done. I didnt.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 11:35 PM   #20
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Something similar happened to me. While preparing for a group of boy scouts coming to the range, me and the RSO were transferring 10/22's from the safe to a wheeled cart. I noticed that all the .22's in the safe had the magazines in the rifles, bolts locked open - not right, but maybe no big deal. After we had a few transferred it began to really not sit well with me and then the thought hit me "wouldn't it be "interesting" to find one loaded". Sure enuf, third magazine had 6 rounds in it. Amazingly, the training center supervisor didn't seem too upset about it - it was his buddy that left the loaded mag in the rifle after a class.
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