On Killing - Page 3

BlueLion · September 28th, 2005, 11:05 PM

Knowing how you would react after doing it is presuppositional. Hollywood makes it look good and romantic. It is not. Some good people are haunted the rest of their lives because of what they did in order to save their life or that of others.

ExSoldier · October 2nd, 2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tanksoldier

US military training with regard to the warrior mindset is laughable.

Trust me, the military (the US Army portion anyway) is so PC it would make your head spin. We certainly aren't making any steely-eyed killers. We can barely get them to come to work with a proper haircut, shaved face, sober and on time.

Give me a troop who manages 3 out of 4, 95% of the time and I'm a happy NCO.

Are you serious? Man I remember doing elevated pushups off the bar in the "O" Club and my buddy having to take a leak but being unwilling to lose his spot at the bar, he took an empty highball glass and quietly released into it under the cover of the bar itself, then he put the warm frothy liquid up on the bar....Guess that'd be taboo these days, huh? Ahhhh the fond memories of the good old days....

ExSoldier · October 2nd, 2005, 12:12 AM

I have the book. Bought it several years ago. Found it interesting, but depressing. I must be getting old.

tanksoldier · October 2nd, 2005, 01:41 AM

Try dry dining-ins on for size. No grog, no sergeant at arms, and you'd better be careful with the content of your skit.

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Originally Posted by ExSoldier762

Are you serious? Man I remember doing elevated pushups off the bar in the "O" Club and my buddy having to take a leak but being unwilling to lose his spot at the bar, he took an empty highball glass and quietly released into it under the cover of the bar itself, then he put the warm frothy liquid up on the bar....Guess that'd be taboo these days, huh? Ahhhh the fond memories of the good old days....

ExSoldier · October 2nd, 2005, 10:08 AM

NO GROG??? AT A "DINING IN?" OMG. I remember the Div CG leading the toasts at a Dining In and starting the the POTUS and proceeding ALL the way down the chain of command to HIM. Everybody got blasted. Thank the Lord it was usually wine or beer. The Rangers would do whiskey SHOTS.

Mad Duck · June 23rd, 2006, 04:55 PM

It gets deeper in "ON COMBAT"

Pickpocket · June 23rd, 2006, 05:39 PM

Col. Grossman is GTG for the most part. He makes a lot of good points, but if you read him you would do well to conduct some of your own research into the statistics he uses. Don't simply accept everything he has to say at face value.

His research methods have been questioned, and some of the research upon which he bases his theories has been discredited, like many here have stated.

He makes very good points in "On Killing", just as he does in "On Combat". However, just because someone makes a few good points doesn't mean they're the gospel. Take it all with a grain of salt, and always question the statistics.

Remember:
There's Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

A1C Lickey · June 24th, 2006, 07:08 PM

Wow...no grog at a dining-in. Even the Air Force hasn't gotten that PC yet.

Pickpocket · June 24th, 2006, 07:23 PM

Let's not talk about which service has become more PC....

We're all a little more kinder and gentler than we should be.

Al Lowe · June 24th, 2006, 07:31 PM

With regard to the subject, less so the book, I've noticed the situations on Cops and some other shows that video LEOs in the pursuit of their job.

Many officers, when faced with situations where they, not only should have fired, but would have been completely justified in doing so, didn't. Fortunately, most of the time it ended without anyone getting hurt. But in at least one situation I observed, one officer was wounded.

I just have to wonder if they were concerned with legal ramifications in their mind, that kept them from shooting.

I keep hoping we get the Castle doctrine passed and signed soon here in Michigan. I KNOW I won't hesitate, whether that law is in effect or not.

But maybe that's just me.

September 28th, 2005, 11:05 PM	#21
BlueLion Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: It Changes... Posts: 823	Knowing how you would react after doing it is presuppositional. Hollywood makes it look good and romantic. It is not. Some good people are haunted the rest of their lives because of what they did in order to save their life or that of others. __________________ Listen, Think and React.....Nuff Said.....

October 2nd, 2005, 12:12 AM	#23
ExSoldier VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Coral Gables, FL Posts: 4,207	I have the book. Bought it several years ago. Found it interesting, but depressing. I must be getting old. __________________ Former Infantry Captain; 20 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

October 2nd, 2005, 10:08 AM	#25
ExSoldier VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Coral Gables, FL Posts: 4,207	NO GROG??? AT A "DINING IN?" OMG. I remember the Div CG leading the toasts at a Dining In and starting the the POTUS and proceeding ALL the way down the chain of command to HIM. Everybody got blasted. Thank the Lord it was usually wine or beer. The Rangers would do whiskey SHOTS. __________________ Former Infantry Captain; 20 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

June 24th, 2006, 07:08 PM	#28
A1C Lickey Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Luke AFB, AZ Posts: 703	Wow...no grog at a dining-in. Even the Air Force hasn't gotten that PC yet. __________________ SSgt. Lickey It takes a college degree to break'em; and a high school education to fix'em!

June 24th, 2006, 07:31 PM	#30
Al Lowe Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lansing, MI, USA Posts: 431	With regard to the subject, less so the book, I've noticed the situations on Cops and some other shows that video LEOs in the pursuit of their job. Many officers, when faced with situations where they, not only should have fired, but would have been completely justified in doing so, didn't. Fortunately, most of the time it ended without anyone getting hurt. But in at least one situation I observed, one officer was wounded. I just have to wonder if they were concerned with legal ramifications in their mind, that kept them from shooting. I keep hoping we get the Castle doctrine passed and signed soon here in Michigan. I KNOW I won't hesitate, whether that law is in effect or not. But maybe that's just me. __________________ Al Lowe Coordinator, Michigan Pink Pistols http://www.pinkpistols.us Member Board of Directors for Shooters' Alliance for Firearm Rights (a REAL Grassroots organization)

June 23rd, 2006, 04:55 PM	#26
Mad Duck New Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: SW OHIO Posts: 11	It gets deeper in "ON COMBAT"

June 23rd, 2006, 05:39 PM	#27
Pickpocket Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 242	Col. Grossman is GTG for the most part. He makes a lot of good points, but if you read him you would do well to conduct some of your own research into the statistics he uses. Don't simply accept everything he has to say at face value. His research methods have been questioned, and some of the research upon which he bases his theories has been discredited, like many here have stated. He makes very good points in "On Killing", just as he does in "On Combat". However, just because someone makes a few good points doesn't mean they're the gospel. Take it all with a grain of salt, and always question the statistics. Remember: There's Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

June 24th, 2006, 07:23 PM	#29
Pickpocket Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 242	Let's not talk about which service has become more PC.... We're all a little more kinder and gentler than we should be.

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