ld13

I have read his book "On Killing" and found it to be a good read. As for his other stuff, I don't know.

retsupt99

I just bought these two books but have put them on the book shelf...waiting in line, so to speak. Now, I gotta' start at least one of them...
Which one first?

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Dave in PA

Sorry for seeing this so late.

I have heard Col. Grossman speak and found him to be very dynamic and full of good information. He really made me think with his views on video games/music/TV and movie violence and when you hear his reasoning, it is hard to dispute it. Of the people I have spoken to that don't agree with him, most are fans of the violent video games/movies/music and none can hold a candle to his background. That does not mean they can't object, but it also does not give their point of view much value. He speaks all over the world and I have not heard any other "experts" effectively refute his views.

Dave Grossman (author - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

For me, I would go see him again in a heartbeat. I felt energized when I left the lecture, which was attended by cops, school officials/teachers, medical folks and other interested persons. As to whether he is anti-RKBA, I have not seen proof of that and he did not give that impression. He might be, but I do not know that for a fact.

Others might not agree, but I feel if you have a chance to see/hear him speak, take it.

Knuckledrager

The Mid-Atlantic Tactical Officer's Association thinks enough of him that they bring him out to speak at their regional conferences.

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Rob72

Okay, here's a link for perusal: SLA Marshall's "Men Against Fire" - Has Dave Grossman Gotten This All Wrong?

It's old, actually very old, news. Grossman's thesis is based on Marshall; Marshall's thesis has been fully discredited; Grossman has not revised his position nor provided new data to either refute the "issues" with Marshall or add current substantiation to his (Grossman's) further publications based on the original work.

Grossman is using a tactic of the failed argument: if you aren't valid, be LOUD, and maybe no one will notice.

Grossman does have some valid points, but so does the Brady group. If there is a firearm in the home, statistically you are more likely to be killed with your weapon by someone you know. Of course, Brady doesn't acknowledge the dopers and gangmembers illegally owning firearms and killing each other in turf wars and dope/alchie-induced fights. And of course, all those poor darling children dying from gun violence aren't 13-15 yos dealing crack...

Grossman clearly notes the problem of acclimation to violence, but is his sourcing correct? Do video games, etc., innure people to violence or make them more violent? Or is it that law-abiding citizens tolerate more violence both by social mandate and personal choice? Ie., violent offenders are more violent and more prolific because they aren't "being attended to"perhaps...? Is violent entertainment prolific because it is demanded, or because it is available (obviously a circular argument)? How can it be argued that violent entertainment is not being demanded by violent personalities in a market-driven economy? (At least you can have real debate on that last...)

Equally, how does the higher birth-rate among the socially-deviant affect the stats?

Killology uses Freudian constructs inappropriately, and does not allude to newer (dissenting) theory.

Bottom line: he's a PhD with a need to publish. Take a salt-lick along with the text. He certainly has some insights, but is not by any means the "be-all, end-all" he's frequently cited as being.

OD

Thanks for the link, Rob, I had not seen that.

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Rexster

At least some of us who have killed people think that Mr. Grossman does not really "get it." Then, of course, not everyone who has killed perceives it the same way.