9 vs. 40 vs 45 - Page 4

Mass-Diver · October 30th, 2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mexican_ninja

To pickpocket...

No. I don't have documents that cite that, just experience in my ER. However, you did brought up a good point and I agree. Instead of looking at what round if effective. Maybe we should look at what factors affect a round.

When I mentioned about people walking around with 9mm bullets, most of them were hit in the abdomen, shoulders, legs, and few in the chest. I have yet to receive a patient that has been hit in the head or heart. Of course, we are not a level 1 trauma hosp and most our patients that have gun shots come in private cars because they refuse an ambulance. The ones that manage to come to our hosp that were shot with a higher caliber recieved more damage. A few survived but rarely without a lasting effect (such as lost of use of a limb or removing a damaged organ) Placement is a key factor that I have failed to apply as well. Nonetheless, I still like my .40cal.

IME, people can survive all sorts of stuff. (Without giving away too much as both were rather high profile); I've cared for a woman who shot in the face with a .357mag (entering at her jaw and exiting her opposite side eye socket) and a man shot (by LEOs) 6+ times in the COM with hp .40s. Both patients survived.

I have not been able to draw any conclusions about caliber from my experiences, except that many, many people can take a COM shot from .38/9mm/.40 (we don't see many .45) and live. In fact, given the choice, I'd rather be shot in the chest (not the heart) with a .40 then in the belly with a .380.

Personally, I think all the modern calibers (with high quality ammo) work pretty well at killing people, I just wouldn't count on any to drop a big guy that mad and on drugs. There's a lot of luck involved (hitting a tiny artery or the heart), but if you have good placment (never mind COM vs leg, more like COM vs miss) and keeping shooting until the threat stops I think you have the best chance.

sixgun · October 30th, 2006, 08:11 PM

It all comes down to what you can shoot well. And of course the other 2 words. Shot placement. They all will kill if you put the projectile in the right spot. Remember shot placement and practice practice and more practice.
Shoot straight and be safe.

Sixgun

glock21guy · October 30th, 2006, 08:44 PM

Pick the caliber you can shoot the best. I think a lager mass bullet will do a better job. But if you can't hit the target accurately, then a smaller caliber is the way to go.

JD · October 30th, 2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs

<< sets back , gets out the popcorn , and prepairs for the train wreck lol .

Ditto on that.

snowdoctor · October 30th, 2006, 09:56 PM

find a gun that feels comfortable for your needs and one you can shoot well, in a caliber you are happy with...then practice, practice,practice, then carry that firearm everyday. The rest will work itself out.
OR buy an XD (or similar) in every caliber made, and shoot them all.

Devone6 · October 30th, 2006, 10:58 PM

9, 40, 45? (.357SIG beats'em all- and now get back/look out, someones gonna blow) and don't forget the 10mm. No one I know, including myself, would volunteer to be shot by any of them.

Please, Lets go to a 454 Cassul, 460 Magnum,and 500 Magnum debate, as this one has already been shot to death.
Where is that popcorn? Maybe some nachos and cheese...........

Bud White · October 30th, 2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pgrass101

I think it is very important to remember that no one has ever complianed about getting shot with to small of a caliber.

There Folks is probley the best answer of all

Though i Am a 45Acp guy

i know i don't want to be shoot with anything even them little plastic 6mm BB's

Bud White · October 30th, 2006, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Devone6

9, 40, 45? (.357SIG beats'em all- and now get back/look out, someones gonna blow) and don't forget the 10mm. No one I know, including myself, would volunteer to be shot by any of them.

Please, Lets go to a 454 Cassul, 460 Magnum,and 500 Magnum debate, as this one has already been shot to death.
Where is that popcorn? Maybe some nachos and cheese...........

No Debate the 500 with the 700 Grain bullets rules them all

it also cleans and processes and packages the deer/bear you shoot with it

frankmako · October 30th, 2006, 11:17 PM

they all are good. just learn to shoot the one you got and carry it. don't leave it at home or in the car.

Devone6 · October 30th, 2006, 11:23 PM

Whole heartdly agree Bud on the 500, just trying go a different road, as this one is many times traveled.
It's nice when the bullet processes 'em for ya like the 500Mag.

October 30th, 2006, 08:44 PM	#33
glock21guy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 523	Pick the caliber you can shoot the best. I think a lager mass bullet will do a better job. But if you can't hit the target accurately, then a smaller caliber is the way to go. __________________ Aaron If you don't protect your self, who will?

October 30th, 2006, 09:56 PM	#35
snowdoctor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 1,189	find a gun that feels comfortable for your needs and one you can shoot well, in a caliber you are happy with...then practice, practice,practice, then carry that firearm everyday. The rest will work itself out. OR buy an XD (or similar) in every caliber made, and shoot them all. __________________ ----DOC----- --people ask why I carry, and I show them this picture. I think it says it all.-- NRA Certified Instructor--many disciplines

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October 30th, 2006, 08:11 PM	#32
sixgun Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: indiana usa Posts: 807	It all comes down to what you can shoot well. And of course the other 2 words. Shot placement. They all will kill if you put the projectile in the right spot. Remember shot placement and practice practice and more practice. Shoot straight and be safe. Sixgun

October 30th, 2006, 10:58 PM	#36
Devone6 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South of North, North of South Posts: 336	9, 40, 45? (.357SIG beats'em all- and now get back/look out, someones gonna blow) and don't forget the 10mm. No one I know, including myself, would volunteer to be shot by any of them. Please, Lets go to a 454 Cassul, 460 Magnum,and 500 Magnum debate, as this one has already been shot to death. Where is that popcorn? Maybe some nachos and cheese...........

October 30th, 2006, 11:17 PM	#39
frankmako Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 1,889	they all are good. just learn to shoot the one you got and carry it. don't leave it at home or in the car.

October 30th, 2006, 11:23 PM	#40
Devone6 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South of North, North of South Posts: 336	Whole heartdly agree Bud on the 500, just trying go a different road, as this one is many times traveled. It's nice when the bullet processes 'em for ya like the 500Mag.