Anyone have problems with 10rd mags - Page 2

Tangle · September 23rd, 2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JT

Dang it, Tangle, you beat me to the punch line.

Hey, great minds think alike! I just happen to get to it first this time.

QKShooter · September 23rd, 2005, 03:37 PM

Of Course ya know that Mega~Mag makes a 15 Round Single Stack Colt .45 magazine.
You can almost use it for a "walking stick" it so long though.

A1C Lickey · September 23rd, 2005, 09:38 PM

Not to one up you or anything QK, but during WWI there were 25 round magazines for the 1911. Now those were walking sticks.

A1C Lickey

gregarat · September 25th, 2005, 08:52 AM

I did a tention test that I found in 1911 Forum.com. I think your right about there being to much tention, QKshooter. The thread has directions for tuning the extractor, but I feel more confortable paying a smith to do the work.

Here is the link for the extractor test, and adjusting.http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm

QKShooter · September 25th, 2005, 10:38 AM

So many people send their problem 1911 pistols out to to get the frame feed ramp polished and the barrel throat polished & a Full Length Guide Rod Installed & the ejection port lowered & relieved & they are buying $50.00 magazines & (in reality) their ONLY pistol problem is the doggone extractor.

They are spending BIG dollars for Bar~Sto Barrels thinking somehow that an extra expensive barrel will cure all feed related problems.
They add an extended ejector or buy a ramped barrel & get the frame milled/machined out to cure FRUSTRATING feed related jamming problems.
Really during feeding the bullet nose barely even touches the frame feed ramp.
And extended EJECTOR sure does give the cartridge case an extra whack but, really the problem is that the extractor will not let go of the cartridge case properly.
I don't really want to get into it all but, (in short) the "Dirty Little Secret" is that nearly all 1911 feed and ejection problem can be "cured" by a perfectly fit, contoured, & tensioned extractor head.
The price or cost of the barrel has little at all to do with feed reliability.
I hate to think about how many shooters have dumped (at a loss) a perfectly fine Government Model type pistol that refused to feed when the actual problem was an Ultra simple and VERY inexpensive "fix" - Springfield Armory pistols were especially noted to terrible extractor fit (for a while there)
One thing that you can try is an AFTEC extractor if you want to D.I.Y. your own extractor. Available from Brownell's
They will not work in series 80 type pistols but, are fantastic for Series 70 & earlier 1911 guns & require very little work to fit to any pistol. They retail for $60.00

though but, last nearly forever.

Many extractor breakage problems result from the extractor not being properly fit and/or the extractor being M.I.M. (metal injected molded) extractors and not Spring Steel extractors.

Focus your attention on an "ill fit or unfit" extractor FIRST if your pistol has feed/ejecton related problems.

Say what you want about the ACCURACY of STOCK military 1911 pistols but, they usually ALL FED & EJECTED without custom ejectors and expensive barrels OR EXPENSIVE MAGAZINES & without extensive aftermarket custom modifications.
The slide ejection ports were not lowered or relieved and SOMEHOW (as if by magic) that spent brass managed to always make it out of there.

That is because the military armorers KNEW Exactly HOW to fit a factory stock extractor.

Also...if your ejected brass hits you smack in the face then that is also USUALLY the extractor & it can be cured by radiusing the bottom of the extractor hook.

gregarat · October 15th, 2005, 09:34 PM

Just got my Springfield back today! It turns out that it was the extractor. The smith tuned the extractor, polished the chamber, and did some touch up work with cold blue where the parkerisation was thin.
He said that he fed 2 mags of old mil-surplus ammo, without any problems. He figures if it will feed the old mil-surplus ammo, it will feed anything. Now I just have to go to the range, and do some testing of my own.

He suggested getting some mags (which will be in stock next week). the factory one works fine, but It doesnt pop out of the well after the gun is empty. He also told me that the recoil spring is abit heavy. But I dont have limp wrists, and the gun isnt really broken in yet. He also suggested maybe doing some ramp work, later on down the line. He showed my a 1911 where he worked on the ramp. It would feed casings alone.. very sweet. That Ill wait on also.

September 23rd, 2005, 03:37 PM	#12
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 20,000	15 Round Colt 1911 Magazines Of Course ya know that Mega~Mag makes a 15 Round Single Stack Colt .45 magazine. You can almost use it for a "walking stick" it so long though. __________________

September 25th, 2005, 10:38 AM	#15
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 20,000	That Is Very Good So many people send their problem 1911 pistols out to to get the frame feed ramp polished and the barrel throat polished & a Full Length Guide Rod Installed & the ejection port lowered & relieved & they are buying $50.00 magazines & (in reality) their ONLY pistol problem is the doggone extractor. They are spending BIG dollars for Bar~Sto Barrels thinking somehow that an extra expensive barrel will cure all feed related problems. They add an extended ejector or buy a ramped barrel & get the frame milled/machined out to cure FRUSTRATING feed related jamming problems. Really during feeding the bullet nose barely even touches the frame feed ramp. And extended EJECTOR sure does give the cartridge case an extra whack but, really the problem is that the extractor will not let go of the cartridge case properly. I don't really want to get into it all but, (in short) the "Dirty Little Secret" is that nearly all 1911 feed and ejection problem can be "cured" by a perfectly fit, contoured, & tensioned extractor head. The price or cost of the barrel has little at all to do with feed reliability. I hate to think about how many shooters have dumped (at a loss) a perfectly fine Government Model type pistol that refused to feed when the actual problem was an Ultra simple and VERY inexpensive "fix" - Springfield Armory pistols were especially noted to terrible extractor fit (for a while there) One thing that you can try is an AFTEC extractor if you want to D.I.Y. your own extractor. Available from Brownell's They will not work in series 80 type pistols but, are fantastic for Series 70 & earlier 1911 guns & require very little work to fit to any pistol. They retail for $60.00 though but, last nearly forever. Many extractor breakage problems result from the extractor not being properly fit and/or the extractor being M.I.M. (metal injected molded) extractors and not Spring Steel extractors. Focus your attention on an "ill fit or unfit" extractor FIRST if your pistol has feed/ejecton related problems. Say what you want about the ACCURACY of STOCK military 1911 pistols but, they usually ALL FED & EJECTED without custom ejectors and expensive barrels OR EXPENSIVE MAGAZINES & without extensive aftermarket custom modifications. The slide ejection ports were not lowered or relieved and SOMEHOW (as if by magic) that spent brass managed to always make it out of there. That is because the military armorers KNEW Exactly HOW to fit a factory stock extractor. Also...if your ejected brass hits you smack in the face then that is also USUALLY the extractor & it can be cured by radiusing the bottom of the extractor hook.

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September 23rd, 2005, 09:38 PM	#13
A1C Lickey Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Luke AFB, AZ Posts: 707	Not to one up you or anything QK, but during WWI there were 25 round magazines for the 1911. Now those were walking sticks. A1C Lickey

September 25th, 2005, 08:52 AM	#14
gregarat Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central NYS Posts: 856	I did a tention test that I found in 1911 Forum.com. I think your right about there being to much tention, QKshooter. The thread has directions for tuning the extractor, but I feel more confortable paying a smith to do the work. Here is the link for the extractor test, and adjusting.http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm

October 15th, 2005, 09:34 PM	#16
gregarat Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central NYS Posts: 856	Just got my Springfield back today! It turns out that it was the extractor. The smith tuned the extractor, polished the chamber, and did some touch up work with cold blue where the parkerisation was thin. He said that he fed 2 mags of old mil-surplus ammo, without any problems. He figures if it will feed the old mil-surplus ammo, it will feed anything. Now I just have to go to the range, and do some testing of my own. He suggested getting some mags (which will be in stock next week). the factory one works fine, but It doesnt pop out of the well after the gun is empty. He also told me that the recoil spring is abit heavy. But I dont have limp wrists, and the gun isnt really broken in yet. He also suggested maybe doing some ramp work, later on down the line. He showed my a 1911 where he worked on the ramp. It would feed casings alone.. very sweet. That Ill wait on also.