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Old April 14th, 2008, 11:56 PM   #31
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Just want to point something out. The .22 is the Bobcat. The Tomcat is a .32...
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Old April 14th, 2008, 11:57 PM   #32
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If memory serves me, the Beretta is the flip-up barrel type??? If it is, whatcha go'a do when it misfires---no ejector. I qualified for ccw with a 22lr. thought it was what I wanted to carry. Many better options out there. If you have to present your weapon it's already a bad day, so why not stack the deck as much as you can.
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Well, if you are going carry a .22LR for self-defense then switch to an Eley competition Match Grade ammo so that you'll at least know that your firearm will go Bang every time you pull the trigger.
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Ah...I read some comments about the effectiveness of .22LR in the hands of SEALS and hitmen.

We're talking self-defense here, not trained commando operations or Mafia planned ambushes...

Defending one's self and/or loved ones means stopping the threat, not wounding the BG such that he kills and then bleeds out from a .22LR wound.

Yes, it's all about shot placement, but why do you think LEOs and military folks aren't toting some dinky rimfire pistol--because hit ratios plummet when you're under attack!
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Old April 15th, 2008, 06:25 AM   #35
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Well if I had to carry a 22 it would be loaded with either AquillaSSS sniper ammo with a 60 grain bullet or if you can find it thier hyper velocity stuff which if memory serves me is like 1750 fps.
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Old April 15th, 2008, 09:18 AM   #36
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All the stories of "MR X" got shot with a .22 and lived are all but irrelevant. I've run on numerous guy that have been shot with all sorts of calibers and not one caliber is always gonna incapacitate. I thought we knew that? So many other factor: .22 short? round nose? hollow point? hypervelocity? Was the barrel 2"? 5"? It all makes a huge difference as well as shot placement, of course.

I recall several stories of a single shot .22 stops.

-FBI shootout (I think in FL?), BG sniped good guy.
-.22 passes through both femoral arteries, guy bleeds out in moments.
-entry through side of thorax, don't recall what specific damage was done.

To take a single incident or 2, one might conclude that the .22 must the be ultimate manstopper. not scientific.
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Better then nothing,maybe. You may just provoke them to use deadly force! There is just no stopping power.
I'm throwing more lead then that, why? (because I can)
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Better then nothing,maybe. You may just provoke them to use deadly force!
Uh, you probably shouldn't be shooting someone if they haven't already threatened you with deadly force....
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I once heard the .22LR called the "kill ya later" round. It'll kill you, eventually.
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Old April 15th, 2008, 10:36 AM   #40
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Check into what most hit men use.........a 22LR!!!! The Navy SEALS used a 22LR pistol called the Amphibian!! What do you think that was used for!!! Shot placement is all that matters in a defensive situation.
Um, no. "Hitmen" (and women) are using hi-caps in 9mm and .40, and generally mag-dumps. The Navy and SOCOM aren't doing anything regular with .22. Modern suppressors are efficient enough to deal with 9mm/.45 gas; the primary reason the .22 was such a "hot" suppressed weapon was low overall sound signature, Tour of Duty and Ghost Recon options aside...

There is good info available on the Banditos, Crips, Bloods and Latin Kings, among others. When discussing hits, these are the modern players, not a bunch of transplanted hi-Talians.

To the OP: if you are planning to stop an assault, a .22 won't do it. If you can pin someone down, 10-15 rounds of .22 LR will certainly do it, but you may have difficulty explaining that particular "defensive" scenario. Defensive tools require evaluation of statistics- what is most effective, most of the time? Are you just wanting a "get off me" tool, or a fight stopper? Know the limitations of yourself and your gear. Like a couple of other posters, I've seen more than 1 or 2 people shot...
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