Sig 220 Carry

AzQkr · July 2nd, 2008, 02:59 PM

I bought a used [ 50 rds through it ] 220 Carry with N/S's several months ago. Carried it on and off for the last few months, have put over 1K through it since I've had it.

It would fail to feed the 8th round about every 3-4 mags or so, and the Sig forum has a lot of members who've experienced this with their's as well. It has an internal extractor, and apparently from what I've read over there, Sig has recently changed their design to an external extractor on this gun.

I sent it back to Sig for them to fix the last round FTF issues [ all they do is adjust the extractor and polish the feed ramp ]. While there, I had the SRT [ short reset trigger ] installed which costs a little over 90.00.

Our Sig rep sent me a prepaid label and quashed the fee for the SRT trigger on the order for me so it didn't cost me anything [ I sell a lot of their guns at the shop and I suppose he figured if I was carrying the gun while working, I might sell even more of them ].

I'm back to carrying the Sig 220 Carry again, and it's a toss up between that and my G19/G17's all the time now.

Anyone else have a 220 Carry? Thoughts on this model?

Brownie

SIXTO · July 2nd, 2008, 03:04 PM

I've been following your posts on the 220 carry with interest, it is on my short list to buy in the near future. I wish I knew you wanted a SRT trigger, I have a spare set for my 220 and could have installed for you when you were here...Oh well, it sounds as if you got it for free anyway.
I have shot the carry Sig sent us, and I like it a lot. It shot almost as well as the full size 220, which is a dream to shoot. I am a little concerned about weight and size for CCW, my Kahrs have spoiled me.

AzQkr · July 2nd, 2008, 03:32 PM

Appreciate the thoughts on the srt trigger sixto.

I was on the fence about sending my carry back to Sig for the last round FTF issue as it had gotten better when I polished the ramp [ I knew that was something Sig was going to do anyway ] attempting to ease the problem, then----I tried a friends 220 with the srt and was quite surprised at the difference in reset times.

He hands me the srt 220 and I load it up, decock, fire a shot at the target, and the second one took me totally by surprise and almost got away from me. It seemed that trigger reset didn't need but a very light let off pressure of the trigger finger and it was throwing another down range.

I was getting 3 rds a second with combat accuracy with my standard trigger and instantly got 4 a second with the same accuracy with his srt after 3-4 mags. That made me want to send it back to fix it and put that trigger system in mine.

I find the 220 carry conceals as well as my g17, but not as well as my g19. I'm really torn between carrying the g19 and this 220. I haven't found anything that can pull me away from the glocks for very long, but this 220 Carry has been carried more often than any other firearm when I've not got a glock on me.

If you get one, it will likely have an external extractor. I haven't seen much on the Sig forum about problems with the externals at all. Most on that forum seem to feel that they changed it due to a design flaw [ like mine ]. Others seem to think otherwise so it's still undetermined and Sig's not talking.

Just so everyone is clear who may be looking at this 220 Carry in the future. Most 220 Carrys like mine ran great with no issues as a Sig should. Few had the problems of last rd FTF's comparatively speaking. I got one, it's fixed and I like it obviously [ I just can't run it as fast as the g17/19's---------yet.

Brownie

Ram Rod · July 2nd, 2008, 03:39 PM

I've read about the FTF issues in the P220 Carry alone on other forums (sigforum). What was the root cause (what did the factory do to fix the issue)? Never had a problem with my full size P220 SAO.
You came out good on the factory turnaround! The SRT isn't available for my model for obvious reasons.

AzQkr · July 2nd, 2008, 03:54 PM

Ram Rod,

Sig polished the feed ramp [ further than I did I guess ] and adjusted the extractor. I've read where some extractors were also replaced but rarely, it usually required just the adjustment.

If you're over there reading you probably also know that the internal extractor claw doesn't sit at 3 o clock on the shell like most handguns, but more 4-4:30ish, which some seem to think is the design flaw and root cause of the extractor having to be tuned just perfect.

When I read that, I tore mine apart and damned if mine wasn't the same as the pics on that sight that were put up for the members. It looks a little strange when you're accustomed to the normal position of extractor hooks on the shell with other guns, but I'll not question Sigs engineers on this. Mine runs like it should since being adjusted.

I've looked at the SAO's we have and shot one once. Nice first shots out of those.

Brownie

Ram Rod · July 2nd, 2008, 04:14 PM

Got it! I'm not over 'there' often--it's sort of slow, but good info for SIGs. Love my SAO. I can rack the slide with thumb safety engaged, and it's an awesome shooter.

AzQkr · July 2nd, 2008, 10:07 PM

I forgot to mention that I put a pair of Sig thin grips on the 220 Carry as well. Sig changed their grip texture on the newer 220's, and I found them to be too smooth for me personally.

The thin grips are a little deeper in the "pattern" and supply a better grip if my hands are sweaty as well as giving me a more secure grip due to their narrowed circumference with my medium/small hands.

Brownie

QKShooter · July 2nd, 2008, 10:24 PM

Congrats AZ - Glad that the little bug is now worked out of it.
Nice carry gun.

AzQkr · July 2nd, 2008, 10:35 PM

Thanks QK.

I carried a 226, then a 228 when I was working back east on the dept and hadn't revisited the Sigs since 2001 until this year. I'm getting caught back up in this line of pistols with the 220 Carry again.

I picked up a 228 and a P6 this last year as well so now it's 3 Sigs from having none in about 6 months. Looks like the O/C is kicking in again, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing

Brownie

AzQkr · July 24th, 2008, 01:41 AM

Another 350 rds down range today. Not a single hiccup. I cleaned it and it's getting carry duty for now, even in the heat out here in the desert.

I'm carrying it OWB in this:

J.W. O'Rourke Leather Products -- Holster, slings, belts

I have his holsters for several guns. Handmade and at a great price, they do what I want in a holster.

Brownie

July 2nd, 2008, 02:59 PM	#1
AzQkr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the Superstitions Posts: 1,378	Sig 220 Carry I bought a used [ 50 rds through it ] 220 Carry with N/S's several months ago. Carried it on and off for the last few months, have put over 1K through it since I've had it. It would fail to feed the 8th round about every 3-4 mags or so, and the Sig forum has a lot of members who've experienced this with their's as well. It has an internal extractor, and apparently from what I've read over there, Sig has recently changed their design to an external extractor on this gun. I sent it back to Sig for them to fix the last round FTF issues [ all they do is adjust the extractor and polish the feed ramp ]. While there, I had the SRT [ short reset trigger ] installed which costs a little over 90.00. Our Sig rep sent me a prepaid label and quashed the fee for the SRT trigger on the order for me so it didn't cost me anything [ I sell a lot of their guns at the shop and I suppose he figured if I was carrying the gun while working, I might sell even more of them ]. I'm back to carrying the Sig 220 Carry again, and it's a toss up between that and my G19/G17's all the time now. Anyone else have a 220 Carry? Thoughts on this model? Brownie __________________ The mind is the limiting factor http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php

July 2nd, 2008, 03:04 PM	#2
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 9,979	I've been following your posts on the 220 carry with interest, it is on my short list to buy in the near future. I wish I knew you wanted a SRT trigger, I have a spare set for my 220 and could have installed for you when you were here...Oh well, it sounds as if you got it for free anyway. I have shot the carry Sig sent us, and I like it a lot. It shot almost as well as the full size 220, which is a dream to shoot. I am a little concerned about weight and size for CCW, my Kahrs have spoiled me. __________________ In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king. Wake Up! The zombie invasion has begun years ago.

July 2nd, 2008, 03:32 PM	#3
AzQkr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the Superstitions Posts: 1,378	Appreciate the thoughts on the srt trigger sixto. I was on the fence about sending my carry back to Sig for the last round FTF issue as it had gotten better when I polished the ramp [ I knew that was something Sig was going to do anyway ] attempting to ease the problem, then----I tried a friends 220 with the srt and was quite surprised at the difference in reset times. He hands me the srt 220 and I load it up, decock, fire a shot at the target, and the second one took me totally by surprise and almost got away from me. It seemed that trigger reset didn't need but a very light let off pressure of the trigger finger and it was throwing another down range. I was getting 3 rds a second with combat accuracy with my standard trigger and instantly got 4 a second with the same accuracy with his srt after 3-4 mags. That made me want to send it back to fix it and put that trigger system in mine. I find the 220 carry conceals as well as my g17, but not as well as my g19. I'm really torn between carrying the g19 and this 220. I haven't found anything that can pull me away from the glocks for very long, but this 220 Carry has been carried more often than any other firearm when I've not got a glock on me. If you get one, it will likely have an external extractor. I haven't seen much on the Sig forum about problems with the externals at all. Most on that forum seem to feel that they changed it due to a design flaw [ like mine ]. Others seem to think otherwise so it's still undetermined and Sig's not talking. Just so everyone is clear who may be looking at this 220 Carry in the future. Most 220 Carrys like mine ran great with no issues as a Sig should. Few had the problems of last rd FTF's comparatively speaking. I got one, it's fixed and I like it obviously [ I just can't run it as fast as the g17/19's---------yet. Brownie __________________ The mind is the limiting factor http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php

July 2nd, 2008, 03:39 PM	#4
Ram Rod VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: crawford county, arkansas Posts: 4,974	I've read about the FTF issues in the P220 Carry alone on other forums (sigforum). What was the root cause (what did the factory do to fix the issue)? Never had a problem with my full size P220 SAO. You came out good on the factory turnaround! The SRT isn't available for my model for obvious reasons. __________________ RamRod-----sans remords

July 2nd, 2008, 03:54 PM	#5
AzQkr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the Superstitions Posts: 1,378	Ram Rod, Sig polished the feed ramp [ further than I did I guess ] and adjusted the extractor. I've read where some extractors were also replaced but rarely, it usually required just the adjustment. If you're over there reading you probably also know that the internal extractor claw doesn't sit at 3 o clock on the shell like most handguns, but more 4-4:30ish, which some seem to think is the design flaw and root cause of the extractor having to be tuned just perfect. When I read that, I tore mine apart and damned if mine wasn't the same as the pics on that sight that were put up for the members. It looks a little strange when you're accustomed to the normal position of extractor hooks on the shell with other guns, but I'll not question Sigs engineers on this. Mine runs like it should since being adjusted. I've looked at the SAO's we have and shot one once. Nice first shots out of those. Brownie __________________ The mind is the limiting factor http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php

July 2nd, 2008, 04:14 PM	#6
Ram Rod VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: crawford county, arkansas Posts: 4,974	Got it! I'm not over 'there' often--it's sort of slow, but good info for SIGs. Love my SAO. I can rack the slide with thumb safety engaged, and it's an awesome shooter. __________________ RamRod-----sans remords

July 2nd, 2008, 10:07 PM	#7
AzQkr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the Superstitions Posts: 1,378	I forgot to mention that I put a pair of Sig thin grips on the 220 Carry as well. Sig changed their grip texture on the newer 220's, and I found them to be too smooth for me personally. The thin grips are a little deeper in the "pattern" and supply a better grip if my hands are sweaty as well as giving me a more secure grip due to their narrowed circumference with my medium/small hands. Brownie __________________ The mind is the limiting factor http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php

July 2nd, 2008, 10:24 PM	#8
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 19,788	Congrats AZ - Glad that the little bug is now worked out of it. Nice carry gun. __________________ Support Our Military. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

July 2nd, 2008, 10:35 PM	#9
AzQkr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the Superstitions Posts: 1,378	Thanks QK. I carried a 226, then a 228 when I was working back east on the dept and hadn't revisited the Sigs since 2001 until this year. I'm getting caught back up in this line of pistols with the 220 Carry again. I picked up a 228 and a P6 this last year as well so now it's 3 Sigs from having none in about 6 months. Looks like the O/C is kicking in again, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing Brownie __________________ The mind is the limiting factor http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php

July 24th, 2008, 01:41 AM	#10
AzQkr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the Superstitions Posts: 1,378	Another 350 rds down range today. Not a single hiccup. I cleaned it and it's getting carry duty for now, even in the heat out here in the desert. I'm carrying it OWB in this: J.W. O'Rourke Leather Products -- Holster, slings, belts I have his holsters for several guns. Handmade and at a great price, they do what I want in a holster. Brownie __________________ The mind is the limiting factor http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php

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