Kimber or Springfield - Page 3

CombatEffective · December 18th, 2005, 09:12 PM

I have a loaded Springer. The trigger is nowhere nearly as nice as that of the Kimber TLE belonging to a friend that I have put 100 rounds or so through. I have had various malfunctions with my Springer, and my extractor was a bit tight at first, but it has since broken in a good bit.

I liked the Kimber better than my Springer.

Ti Carry · December 18th, 2005, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bud White

Kimbers have more out there than Springfield’s I find that hard to believe just by sales here I see Kimbers sit and sit in the case here and springers hard to come buy because there always sold

There is no question that Springfield has more 1911's out there than Kimber will ever have, I was talking about in the last 5-10 year's and looking up the numbers Springfield IS producing about 20,000 more 1911's per year than Kimber is. I honestly thought that Kimber was leading in yearly production #s, not so. I had no idea that Springfield was producing, like 68,000 vs 48,000 from Kimber at least in 2003. Seem's in my area Kimber is everywhere and over shadows Springfield like 20 Kimber's in a case to 5 Springfield’s at any one time.

But no point in arguing you like Kimbers and I don’t you don’t like Springers I do to Each there own

I'm not arguing hatefully just respectfully arguing some point's. I actually like Springfield and would use a Springfield as a base for let's say a Yost 1* custom in a heart beat. But I like the pre series II Kimbers and series II without the EE! so post series II EE a little better as a production gun. Cleaner triggers, nicer finish, slide to frame fit is good and accuracy is really good for a production gun. I just hate how they both try to cut corner's to save $ and sacrifice quality to do it.

This is why I just wait to buy the good stuff! I will have less gun's but excellent quality and craftsmanship I will have.

Ti

Bud White · December 18th, 2005, 10:51 PM

I have thought about a kimber 10mm but i dont know .. if i decide on one will only be if it has a internal extractor

Euclidean · December 18th, 2005, 11:04 PM

You silly 1911 guys. You'll pour $500-$1200 into a pistol and then spend $300-$4000 (that's an extra zero not a typo) at a gunsmith getting it to work right, and then bad talk the guy with a $500 piece of Tupperware that worked fine out of the box.

The only 1911A1 pattern pistol I want is made by Springfield. Apparently none of the other companies want my business. Works for me.

Bud White · December 18th, 2005, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euclidean

You silly 1911 guys. You'll pour $500-$1200 into a pistol and then spend $300-$4000 (that's an extra zero not a typo) at a gunsmith getting it to work right, and then bad talk the guy with a $500 piece of Tupperware that worked fine out of the box.

The only 1911A1 pattern pistol I want is made by Springfield. Apparently none of the other companies want my business. Works for me.

Sorry Euc but ive never paid anything on my 1911 except to have night sights added

I have tupperware but still has no soul

Euclidean · December 18th, 2005, 11:35 PM

No gun currently made really has any soul. Everything is MIM parts stamped out of the cheapest possible materials, and guns have dozens of "safety features" they don't even need.

Gone are the hand polished feed ramps, shiny internal parts forged by a gunsmith, pinned and recessed K frames... sigh.

Bud White · December 18th, 2005, 11:37 PM

no no A Colt euc not a k frame now a colt has soul And anything not Black has a soul Anymore

Euclidean · December 18th, 2005, 11:40 PM

Colt... yes perhaps they're the last production non custom gun with any soul. But there's not enough of them.

The sad part is it wasn't really all that long ago that guns were made differently.

Bud White · December 18th, 2005, 11:42 PM

Very true but not much you can do about that just like everything else nothing is made way it used to be

Euclidean · December 18th, 2005, 11:47 PM

It's weird. You know on a logical and intellectual level that there's nothing fundamentally wrong with MIM parts or two piece barrels or whatever... but you take a modern production gun of any kind, 1911s included, and put it next to one made 20 or 30 years ago, suddenly the newer one just feels cheap.

Of course you go too far back and you look at some of those guns and wonder how the heck they ever fired. Ever seen an old Luger up close?

December 18th, 2005, 09:12 PM	#21
CombatEffective Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,000	I have a loaded Springer. The trigger is nowhere nearly as nice as that of the Kimber TLE belonging to a friend that I have put 100 rounds or so through. I have had various malfunctions with my Springer, and my extractor was a bit tight at first, but it has since broken in a good bit. I liked the Kimber better than my Springer. __________________ Shooters' Legacy Special sections for S&W and Ruger

December 18th, 2005, 11:04 PM	#24
Euclidean VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,213	You silly 1911 guys. You'll pour $500-$1200 into a pistol and then spend $300-$4000 (that's an extra zero not a typo) at a gunsmith getting it to work right, and then bad talk the guy with a $500 piece of Tupperware that worked fine out of the box. The only 1911A1 pattern pistol I want is made by Springfield. Apparently none of the other companies want my business. Works for me. __________________ I am The Armed Educator.

December 18th, 2005, 11:35 PM	#26
Euclidean VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,213	No gun currently made really has any soul. Everything is MIM parts stamped out of the cheapest possible materials, and guns have dozens of "safety features" they don't even need. Gone are the hand polished feed ramps, shiny internal parts forged by a gunsmith, pinned and recessed K frames... sigh. __________________ I am The Armed Educator.

December 18th, 2005, 11:40 PM	#28
Euclidean VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,213	Colt... yes perhaps they're the last production non custom gun with any soul. But there's not enough of them. The sad part is it wasn't really all that long ago that guns were made differently. __________________ I am The Armed Educator.

December 18th, 2005, 11:47 PM	#30
Euclidean VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,213	It's weird. You know on a logical and intellectual level that there's nothing fundamentally wrong with MIM parts or two piece barrels or whatever... but you take a modern production gun of any kind, 1911s included, and put it next to one made 20 or 30 years ago, suddenly the newer one just feels cheap. Of course you go too far back and you look at some of those guns and wonder how the heck they ever fired. Ever seen an old Luger up close? __________________ I am The Armed Educator.

December 18th, 2005, 10:51 PM	#23
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	I have thought about a kimber 10mm but i dont know .. if i decide on one will only be if it has a internal extractor

December 18th, 2005, 11:37 PM	#27
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	no no A Colt euc not a k frame now a colt has soul And anything not Black has a soul Anymore

December 18th, 2005, 11:42 PM	#29
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	Very true but not much you can do about that just like everything else nothing is made way it used to be

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