Bud White

Nope havent ever had this problem

Frogman

For years I had a Series 70 Gold Cup National Match .45 that I used for target shooting and for IDPA. It was a great gun but the rear sight kept coming loose and eventually the slide developed a crack in it. I sold it and bought a Springfield Loaded model. I have put at least 15,000 rounds through the Springfield shooting IDPA and practicing. I have had just two problems with it. I had to replace the firing pin stop. Did that myself. Then I had a barrel problem and returned the gun to Springfield. They repaired the gun and returned it to me in under two weeks with a brand new fitted match barrel that shoots great. I am very happy with the Springfield. I think that any gun that you shoot a lot can fail. As a range safety officer I have seen just about every brand and make and model of firearms fail at one time or another at matches. Shooting matches really tests the reliability af the guns. Most people will never shoot their guns as much as competitive shooters do. I shoot about 5,000 rounds a year, and I know other competitors who shoot more than that. I am happy with my Springfield Loaded.

snowdoctor

kimber and springfield are not even in the same league. Kimber is SUCH a better product, I can't believe we are having this discussion. Springfield does make a good product, and are better than alot of 1911's. Kimber is the closest product to the custom built 1911's you can buy over the counter. from the full 5" to the small 3''. QUALITY.
my 2 cents

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Ti Carry

Thank you snowdoctor, I was beginning to think I was one of the only Kimber guy's.

I will say this tho! Kimber has suffered bad press from mistakes that they have created by trying to cheapen their product for the sake of the almighity dollar! The Clakamas Kimber's and the pre series II Kimbers were very good quality production 1911's and I look for those when in the market and when I can find them, I like to buy them if I can.

but as euclidean said!

No gun currently made really has any soul. Everything is MIM parts stamped out of the cheapest possible materials, and guns have dozens of "safety features" they don't even need.

Gone are the hand polished feed ramps, shiny internal parts forged by a gunsmith, pinned and recessed K frames... sigh.

And,

It's weird. You know on a logical and intellectual level that there's nothing fundamentally wrong with MIM parts or two piece barrels or whatever... but you take a modern production gun of any kind, 1911s included, and put it next to one made 20 or 30 years ago, suddenly the newer one just feels cheap.

I agree with this 100% (with production gun's) and Kimber has fallen in to this patteren as well but I see them starting to dig there way out and the first step was to get back to the internal extractors and the next step is sending new gun's with "one" quality Kim-Pro magazine instead of a crap standard Kimber $8.00 mag and 99% of their problems would disapper.

The gun's today that have soul are the one's made by the craftsman such as John Jardine, Terry Tussey, C.T. Brian, Hilton Yam, Ted Yost and John Harrison to name a few. But with quality/craftsmanship the price tag comes with it. A good Colt sent to Yost/Bonitz for the 1* treatment is holding a high quality piece of soul when it returns.

Ti.

Bud White

Heres a Tidbit of info i found out lately did you know The Clakamas Kimber's were not actually made there?

No pistols were there just tagged there all were built in yonkers .. Was in the most recent book of 1911 i think it was

Ti Carry

Yes I did know this about the Clakamas run of Kimbers! that is were the company was based at the time. It doesn't change the fact that the Clackamas Kimber's were possibly the best that Kimber ever made.

For whatever reason it give's those models prestige among Kimber guy's.

Ti.

Bud White

i wont argue that those were the best kimbers as that is always what ya hear just funny they were all built in the same factory but the one marked clakamas were better

rocky

I don't think anyone was bashing Kimber. Just comparing what we have to what is out there. I almost bought a Kimber. If 1 had been avalible , factory furnished withthe features I wanted, I would have 1 instead of a SA. I trust either manufacturer to make a quality gun.

Ti Carry

I guess what I am saying is that the Clackamas or Yonkers Kimber's that were produced in the beginning were excellent quality, the pre series II gun's were exceptional as well! basicly the same thing just the frames were stamped with Yonker's on them by then but did have some slight cost saving changes, then the series II Kimber's came out and were a good line up but then Kimber started to kick it around putting the EE in and sending IMO even cheaper mag's with them. These are the gun's that are giving the bad rap to Kimber and the issues we are hearing about, Kimber failed with these changes, are starting to lick their wounds, and are going back to what worked for them. The Kimber series II, Colt series 80 and others with FPS are here to stay, but the quality should stay too.

Ti

Bud White

I agree to that Quailty should stay no matter what to bad it doesnt most the time