Sig229

The only 1911's I like are the Para Ordnance's. In the real world, having 7 shots is a downfall. Many of the para's hold 12 or more.

Also, the "Ya only need one shot" doctrine is for people who have never been in a real tactical situation IMO.

Bad guys shooting back dont stand 30 yards in front of you while not moving like a target at the range.

Tangle

Oh boy!

Bruces45

So you only perfer double stack 1911's? I'm sorry you feel that way.
12 shots is nice, but feels like a 2x4 in the hand.

As far as the one shot comment, thats why it holds either 8 or 9 (depending what mags you use). Try telling a WWI, WWII, Korean, or Vietnam Vet that the 1911 is a POS and Sigs are the "hot set-up". More lives have been saved and taken with a 1911 than your SIG.

Most people on here practice for real world situations, like shooting on the move, shooting from cover, shooting moving objects.

I could go on, but i'll save it for your next reply

Seems us 1911 guys and you SIG guys will always but heads. Like the whole .45 vs 9mm thing

Tangle

Could it possibly be, that 1911 guys are just the tiniest bit biased, not to mention a little narcissistic?

Us SIg guys are nothing like that and besides, my Sig can take your 1911 any day of the week.












Just kiddin' Bruce - just kiddin'

Sig229

Hell, Im not saying my sig, glock, or H&K is better than your 1911.
What I am saying that 8-9 shots at the range is fine.
I prefer to prepare for anything. And when it comes down to my life, I will be much better off in any scenario with mags that hold almost double what a regular 1911 has and almost the same firepower (.40 cal).

BTW: I NEVER said a 1911 was a "POS" as you put it.

Practice and training is key, your right. But as I said, real world is much different from even the best of tactical class.

You think if its night, hard rain and your hearts pounding so loud you hear it in your ears that your going to only need 8-9 shots with one or more aggressors? What if they have cover and you dont?
What if they have something a little more accurate than a 4" barrel?

Dont get me wrong I am a fan of the 1911 and I respect them deeply.
But from my experience and MY choice is to have more mag capacity.
Ask yourself this. If all you "really" needed was a 1911 and 8 shots. Why are most of the PD and FED's going to more mag capacities? I would think the FBI, DEA and other alphabet soup types have the best training and knowledge to make this choice.

Just like politics, cars and wemon, What may be wrong for you, may be right for me. And what's right for me may be wrong for you.
Nothing personal.

Bruces45

Because it is easier to teach someone "Spray and Pray" then to be accurate with what ya got.
Granted most all Police agencies issue either Glocks or Sigs, if you take a look at the "Speciality teams" they carry 1911's

I realize we differ on opinions, I just wanted to ruffle your feathers so to speak. I like to harrase the non 1911'ers.

Tangle

Sig229,
I need to come clean here; I feel the same way you do. Bruce, myself, and some others have discussed this before. I strongly prefer more to bigger.

I too am a 1911 fan, and not that they won't work, I just prefer more bullets. Some talk about I must be planning to miss a lot, well yeah, I am, I'm also planning to hit - a lot.

I've been maybe a bit too outspoken against revolvers as a viable SD gun, because, for one thing, their low round count coupled with a slow, cumbersome reload.

I carry a Sig 226R right now with a Mecgar 17 round mag and a spare Sig 15 round mag. You pretty much expressed why I feel a SD gun needs to have a higher round count.

But, others feel comfortable with 5 - 9 rounds and figure that's all they'll need.

I had a super competent instructor in my most advanced handgun class that said, "He would not feel underarmed with a revolver." What did he carry? A Glock! Now he carries a 1911 and wouldn't hesitate to pick one over the other. Although I must admit when he showed us a high-fire-power technique, he said can you imagine this with two Glock 17s?

Another thing I have to wonder about is he also said when he carried a revolver, he always carried a back-up revolver, not because he may run out of bullets, but because if his main revolver came in contact with sand, it may lock up.

It just kinda makes you go, Huh?

Bruces45

Granted we may be a little full of our selves, but its like when you show up to a reunion, do you wanna be driving a Corvette (1911) or a Ford Pinto (all other brands)

You choose the 1911 when only the best will do. YMMV




OK guys back on track here, don't wanna get in trouble for thread diversion.

Tangle

Bruce,
In all fairness, you can't say that more bullets leads to spray and pray any more that I can claim fewer bullets lead to less shooting and more praying.

If capacity really effects accuracy, we could all just load three rounds in our carry guns and improve our accuracy. A person with an 8 shot gun simply can't miss as many times as a 15 shot gun, but they both may be "spraying".

Bruces45

This went south in a hurry, Sorry bout that Sig229, I am glad you have a gun that your happy with and fell confident with. I was just tring to razz ya a little, and it got a loiitle out of control.

I am all for everyone choosing different wepons and the truth be known I got a chance to shoot a Sig Pro a while back and enjoyed it quite a bit.

Rock on with your SIG self