Accuracy problems - Sig 229 SAS vs XD9's

Sailor87 · March 23rd, 2006, 12:22 PM

I have 2 XD9's SC & 4" and a Sig Mosquito.Recently (2mos.) purchased a new Sig 229 SAS 40cal. for my consealed carry. I have put over 1000 rounds through both pistols and I am able to keep all rounds from the XD9's within 4" or less, using Win. 115gr. target ammo. But with the Sig (also using Win. 165gr. target ammo) my rounds are scattered, low and to the left (approx 4 - 6" from my aiming point). I am still getting used to the Sig DAK trigger sytem, and I have tried to alter my grip and reset the rear sight (which moved the rounds under my sight point). With Sig's reputation for accuracy right out of the box, I am a little disappointed in my results. In some of the threads I remember reading about accuracy improvements with match grade barrels like Barsto. I have not had anyone else fire it yet, but that's next! I am considering giving it to a gunsmith to check it out, but I still think it's something I am doing wrong. Any suggestions?

firefighter4884 · March 23rd, 2006, 12:28 PM

Sailor,

I'm a little more off the ball with my HK .40S&W then I am with my friends Sig 226 9mm. I personallly dislike the .40 recoil, and I've put well over 1000 rounds through my pistol since I got it in August. I've shot maybe 200 rounds from the 9mm.

Not sure how experienced you are as a shooter, but to a lot of people, the .40S&W has some of the harshest recoil of any pistol.

just my observations and 0.02 :)

--Jim

Rocnerd · March 23rd, 2006, 12:33 PM

My Sig 229 SAS has been spot on very accurate. I would do some dry firing practice, after checking to make sure unloaded of course, to see if the longer trigger pull is causing you to pull gun. Just practice the fundamentals of first pad on trigger finger, focus on front site, press the trigger, and don't anticipate. As Firefighter said the .40 has a bit more recoil than the 9mm so you may be flinching without realizing it. If you are doing all that and still not grouping well, and others are experiencing the same issue, then maybe having someone look at it, Sig?, wouldn't be a bad idea.

familyman · March 23rd, 2006, 12:38 PM

On think your right on target, excuse the pun, in looking at your setup. Rocnerd brings up a very good point about dry firing. Any flaws will show up immediately. Good luck.

rstickle · March 23rd, 2006, 02:19 PM

Sailor, Assuming that you are right handed, low and left is usually a sign of trigger jerk. You may want to review the way you are squeezing off with the new SIG, the pull difference in trigger pull may be messing you up.

P95Carry · March 23rd, 2006, 03:13 PM

I'll bet this is still shooter related - and not meaning that as any slur!!

Yes, dry-fire and also plenty more live fire. Could even be that a judicious placement of some grip tape or even different grips -would help you index the hold more easily, and enough to better handle that trigger.

I very much doubt the gun is to blame tho nothing is impossible of course - add to this as has been mentioned, the .40 is not the easiest round to shoot for many folks.

ExSoldier · March 23rd, 2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by firefighter4884

Sailor,

I'm a little more off the ball with my HK .40S&W then I am with my friends Sig 226 9mm. I personallly dislike the .40 recoil, and I've put well over 1000 rounds through my pistol since I got it in August. I've shot maybe 200 rounds from the 9mm.

Not sure how experienced you are as a shooter, but to a lot of people, the .40S&W has some of the harshest recoil of any pistol.

just my observations and 0.02 :)

--Jim

You know, I got rid of my Glock M23 for just that reason. But then I got a Glock M27. I love my 27. But I only "notice" the recoil when I'm shooting static targets in a range environment. But if I'm running in an IDPA match I don't notice the recoil at all! I've had my Glock M27 for a long time now. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I also like it because if I want to easily conceal it, I put the std 9rd mag in it. But I keep several M22 & M23 mags with those little plastic "spacers" installed and it provides me with a seamless full length grip. And full capacity. Awesome.

But I dearly love those Sig P229 SAS models. Now, IF I could only justify the cost to our family CFO.....

George Hill · March 23rd, 2006, 07:18 PM

The 229 SAS I tested was very accurate. Keep practicing and try some different ammunition.

Bud White · March 23rd, 2006, 07:34 PM

Some people dont shoot a 40 well and thats that

Sailor87 · March 25th, 2006, 01:19 PM

I purchased an inexpensive ($30) but adjustable, hand gun rest last night, to try and take the "human factor" out of the equasion so I can see what is happening. It will also give me a better idea of the effects of different ammo. I also priced a Lasermax as a training tool --this is a lot cheaper! I plan on testing tomorrow.

March 23rd, 2006, 12:22 PM	#1
Sailor87 New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 7	Accuracy problems - Sig 229 SAS vs XD9's I have 2 XD9's SC & 4" and a Sig Mosquito.Recently (2mos.) purchased a new Sig 229 SAS 40cal. for my consealed carry. I have put over 1000 rounds through both pistols and I am able to keep all rounds from the XD9's within 4" or less, using Win. 115gr. target ammo. But with the Sig (also using Win. 165gr. target ammo) my rounds are scattered, low and to the left (approx 4 - 6" from my aiming point). I am still getting used to the Sig DAK trigger sytem, and I have tried to alter my grip and reset the rear sight (which moved the rounds under my sight point). With Sig's reputation for accuracy right out of the box, I am a little disappointed in my results. In some of the threads I remember reading about accuracy improvements with match grade barrels like Barsto. I have not had anyone else fire it yet, but that's next! I am considering giving it to a gunsmith to check it out, but I still think it's something I am doing wrong. Any suggestions?

March 23rd, 2006, 12:28 PM	#2
firefighter4884 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wadesville, IN Posts: 636	Sailor, I'm a little more off the ball with my HK .40S&W then I am with my friends Sig 226 9mm. I personallly dislike the .40 recoil, and I've put well over 1000 rounds through my pistol since I got it in August. I've shot maybe 200 rounds from the 9mm. Not sure how experienced you are as a shooter, but to a lot of people, the .40S&W has some of the harshest recoil of any pistol. just my observations and 0.02 :) --Jim __________________ Firefighter / EMT - Always Ready. Ever Willing. ~Never do anything that you don't want to have to explain to the paramedics...~

March 23rd, 2006, 12:38 PM	#4
familyman Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central Ky Posts: 19	Sailor, On think your right on target, excuse the pun, in looking at your setup. Rocnerd brings up a very good point about dry firing. Any flaws will show up immediately. Good luck.

March 23rd, 2006, 02:19 PM	#5
rstickle Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Laurel, MD Posts: 9,871	Sailor, Assuming that you are right handed, low and left is usually a sign of trigger jerk. You may want to review the way you are squeezing off with the new SIG, the pull difference in trigger pull may be messing you up. __________________ Rick EOD - Initial success or total failure

March 23rd, 2006, 03:13 PM	#6
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,366	I'll bet this is still shooter related - and not meaning that as any slur!! Yes, dry-fire and also plenty more live fire. Could even be that a judicious placement of some grip tape or even different grips -would help you index the hold more easily, and enough to better handle that trigger. I very much doubt the gun is to blame tho nothing is impossible of course - add to this as has been mentioned, the .40 is not the easiest round to shoot for many folks. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

March 23rd, 2006, 12:33 PM	#3
Rocnerd Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: S. Florida Posts: 210	My Sig 229 SAS has been spot on very accurate. I would do some dry firing practice, after checking to make sure unloaded of course, to see if the longer trigger pull is causing you to pull gun. Just practice the fundamentals of first pad on trigger finger, focus on front site, press the trigger, and don't anticipate. As Firefighter said the .40 has a bit more recoil than the 9mm so you may be flinching without realizing it. If you are doing all that and still not grouping well, and others are experiencing the same issue, then maybe having someone look at it, Sig?, wouldn't be a bad idea.

March 23rd, 2006, 07:18 PM	#8
George Hill Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: LaPoint Utah Posts: 324	The 229 SAS I tested was very accurate. Keep practicing and try some different ammunition. __________________ www.MadOgre.com www.concealedcarrymag.com

March 23rd, 2006, 07:34 PM	#9
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	Some people dont shoot a 40 well and thats that

March 25th, 2006, 01:19 PM	#10
Sailor87 New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 7	I purchased an inexpensive ($30) but adjustable, hand gun rest last night, to try and take the "human factor" out of the equasion so I can see what is happening. It will also give me a better idea of the effects of different ammo. I also priced a Lasermax as a training tool --this is a lot cheaper! I plan on testing tomorrow.

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