Anyone want to take a shot at this. - Page 2

gddyup · April 8th, 2006, 04:15 PM

I don't think a list of calibers would be the best possible list in deeming what is neccesary for self defense.

A better list would be where to hit with the caliber of your choosing would be the best for self defense...

P95Carry · April 8th, 2006, 05:55 PM

Choose what suits your ideal-for-carry platform and learn to use it, and well.

Folks will for ever have thoughts on what is ''best'' and thus the seemingly eternal debate. A shot from a Smith 500 that misses (even if muzzle blast puts the guy down

) is no good compared to two fast useful hits with a 9mm!

One aspect comparing the low power with ultra high power too - is user controllability. Two or three relatively and fast accurate shots from a .380 could well prove more effective than a bad .44 mag shot with very slow follow-up.

frankmako · April 8th, 2006, 11:44 PM

Any caliber that you will carry on your person (on your person), not under the car seat or back home will work. It could be a 22lr, .25 auto, 32 or .380 auto on up. Make sure that you have shot many rounds down range with the gun and that you can hit what you point at. If the gun is too big you might not carry it all of the time. The under the car seat/back home thing again. Yes I known most will make fun of these same calibers. But I do not see any one volunteering to get shot by one. Get to know some peoples with a CCW and spot check them, you will find that the ones with the big guns do not have them on their persons all the time. After 26 years in Law Enforcement/Military and required to carry 24/7, I known it is a pain to hide a big heavy gun. Big gun is for Raids, small gun (BUG) is always on my body.

frankmako

tanksoldier · April 8th, 2006, 11:48 PM

Unrealistic expectation for any handgun caliber... or even rifle calibers.

A .380 COM beats a .308 in the forearm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1man

I would like a "1-Shot 1-Kill" approach to this, no follow-up shots

fotomaker57 · April 9th, 2006, 01:02 AM

As far as I am concerned the 38 and 9mm are the beginning of what I feel comfortable with for stopping power. Going up to what ever you feel comfortable shooting.
Mike

Bud White · April 9th, 2006, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P95Carry

A shot from a Smith 500 that misses (even if muzzle blast puts the guy down

) is no good compared to two fast useful hits with a 9mm!

Ahh but after the muzzle blast knocks him down he more likly to stop what he was doing or be so shakey when he gets up second shot will be easy ..

2 fast hits from a 9mm still aint gonna = one good hit from any 50 cal

Ohh and i wont carry anything below 9mm

jclif1995 · April 9th, 2006, 09:25 AM

Barring all that has been said regarding placement and the like, these are my thoughts. My favorites are also noted.

minimum: 380, 38spl
acceptable: 9mm
very good: 40s&w*, 357sig
premimum: 45acp*, 44spl
top o da line: 357mag*
overkill: 44mag

my opinion includes common defense sized handguns. the hunting rounds as well as the mouse rounds were not included because, while they will work, the market has provided better choices in acceptable concealable packages.

SammyIamToday · April 10th, 2006, 09:16 AM

Imo, anything less than a cruise missile leaves me undergunned. So, I plan on shooting multiple times rather than relying on a 1 shot idea.

yoshi · April 10th, 2006, 09:29 AM

What you could do, is take all the ballistic statistics off the web, plug them into Microsoft Access (or similar database) and sort by criteria (force of impact, muzzle velocity, etc...)

MattLarson · April 10th, 2006, 11:29 AM

As I read it, 1man's "one shot" request was regarding one post per, to prevent back and forth "mine's better" arguments.

IMHO, provided you are above a minimum power floor (say, 9mm), the cartridge really matters much, much less than placement.

Matt

April 8th, 2006, 04:15 PM	#11
gddyup Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Derry, NH Posts: 896	I don't think a list of calibers would be the best possible list in deeming what is neccesary for self defense. A better list would be where to hit with the caliber of your choosing would be the best for self defense... __________________ Firefighter/EMT My own piece of the web... The Right of Defense It is better to be the widow of a hero than the wife of a coward. - Dolores Ibarruri

April 8th, 2006, 05:55 PM	#12
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,366	Choose what suits your ideal-for-carry platform and learn to use it, and well. Folks will for ever have thoughts on what is ''best'' and thus the seemingly eternal debate. A shot from a Smith 500 that misses (even if muzzle blast puts the guy down ) is no good compared to two fast useful hits with a 9mm! One aspect comparing the low power with ultra high power too - is user controllability. Two or three relatively and fast accurate shots from a .380 could well prove more effective than a bad .44 mag shot with very slow follow-up. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

April 9th, 2006, 01:02 AM	#15
fotomaker57 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Southwest Missouri Posts: 975	As far as I am concerned the 38 and 9mm are the beginning of what I feel comfortable with for stopping power. Going up to what ever you feel comfortable shooting. Mike __________________ Never trade the thrills of living for the security of existence. My daily carry Springfield XD45 Compact

April 9th, 2006, 09:25 AM	#17
jclif1995 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Allen, TX Posts: 74	Barring all that has been said regarding placement and the like, these are my thoughts. My favorites are also noted. minimum: 380, 38spl acceptable: 9mm very good: 40s&w, 357sig premimum: 45acp, 44spl top o da line: 357mag* overkill: 44mag my opinion includes common defense sized handguns. the hunting rounds as well as the mouse rounds were not included because, while they will work, the market has provided better choices in acceptable concealable packages. __________________ john

April 10th, 2006, 09:29 AM	#19
yoshi Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Midcoast, Maine Posts: 115	What you could do, is take all the ballistic statistics off the web, plug them into Microsoft Access (or similar database) and sort by criteria (force of impact, muzzle velocity, etc...) __________________ Live Free or Die

April 8th, 2006, 11:44 PM	#13
frankmako Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 1,889	Any caliber that you will carry on your person (on your person), not under the car seat or back home will work. It could be a 22lr, .25 auto, 32 or .380 auto on up. Make sure that you have shot many rounds down range with the gun and that you can hit what you point at. If the gun is too big you might not carry it all of the time. The under the car seat/back home thing again. Yes I known most will make fun of these same calibers. But I do not see any one volunteering to get shot by one. Get to know some peoples with a CCW and spot check them, you will find that the ones with the big guns do not have them on their persons all the time. After 26 years in Law Enforcement/Military and required to carry 24/7, I known it is a pain to hide a big heavy gun. Big gun is for Raids, small gun (BUG) is always on my body. frankmako

April 10th, 2006, 09:16 AM	#18
SammyIamToday VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 2,077	Imo, anything less than a cruise missile leaves me undergunned. So, I plan on shooting multiple times rather than relying on a 1 shot idea.

April 10th, 2006, 11:29 AM	#20
MattLarson Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,454	As I read it, 1man's "one shot" request was regarding one post per, to prevent back and forth "mine's better" arguments. IMHO, provided you are above a minimum power floor (say, 9mm), the cartridge really matters much, much less than placement. Matt

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