profshadow

I overheard the other day someone say "just keep shooting until you hear 'click, click'" and know you are out of rounds in case the BG grabs your weapon and tries to use it against you.

Of course, I think it is somewhat situational, since if I've got the BG on the ground after two, I'm not going to shoot anymore and if he's some buddies hanging around I want to be ready.


Thoughts?

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gunthorp

Slide lock or click can't be good, if they're avoidable. We ultimately shoot one-handed so the off hand can hold a spare reload and fend or balance if necessary. The 1911 mag especially makes an effective contact weapon. Ditto sweatnbullets except we avoid elbow/hip contact. It messes up the natural force/recoil cadence of the string, we are moving off the line of force to cover or in a forward "J" fashon, and the static elbow contact slows the draw to sight plane for the brain stem shot, if necessary. The five shot string is just arbitrary. In reality, it doesn't take any more time to shoot 4 or 5 than the double. Now, if there are accomplices, we teach to place one in each from right to left (or priority) and then repeat as needed, all with reload ready in off hand, which can still be used (palm up) for support (much like holding a flashlight.)

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madmike

So, I'm thinking that my carrying a total of 40 rounds for my Glock 23 wasn't just the product of mild paranoia. . .

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Jungle Work

Combat is always 89% LUCK, but for the other 11% you had really better have your *stuff* in one bag, if you don't its Bad Juju on you.

The old addage about Work Hard, Train Hard is reality.

As for shooting Bad Guys and Bad Girls, single, double or
tripple tap them, depending on how many there is. Then scan for who is still doing the badbad and double tap them again. Apply as needed. How many times you shoot one person depends on the number of assialints, their weapons (shoot the bad boy with the shotgun first or the closest bad guy to you) and their proximity to you. You have to assess the situation immediately, that is the reason training is so necessary if you'd like to keep your good Karma......

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Sweatnbullets

Nice!
I would also like to add that priority can also be dictated by who is further along in the OODA loop. Which adversary has made eye contact with you and has began working through his loop.

A BG at 30 feet, with a HG in his waistband ,that has seen you could be a higher priority than a BG at ten feet, with a SG that is looking the other way, and focused on doing his crimminal deeds in another direction.

Situationally dependent.

Visual input is such a key component to what we practice and train. Seeing what you need to see to get the hits is only a small portion of the visual "big picture."

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kikr

Several catch phrases come to mind..."there are no bad tactics", "one mans tactic is another mans coffin" etc. The double tap is a tactic not a doctrine, remember to practice your OODA loop, proper use of cover and concealment, and situational awareness and it won't matter how many times you shoot him.

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cgraham

Shooting to slide lock is usually a really bad idea, whether the weapon holds 7 or 13 rounds, for three reasons, one tactical, one PR, one legal. Excellent comments already on the strategic angle, none on the others.

First, you should assume there are other BGs, until proven otherwise. B may take you out while your attention is on A. That's one of the reasons for 2-3 shots, then actively assessing for other threats (remember tunnel vision?) while seeking cover.

Also, at slide lock, you may have wasted shots, and you are unarmed until you can reload; there are many situations where you may not be able to reload.

If you are SURE there is only 1 BG, that's a different matter. If he is not stoped with 2-3 shots, you have to consider if it's better to place a CNS or pelvis shot, depending on his type of weapon and proximity. Emptying the magazine into COM suggests lack of training, tactical skill or self control.

The second reason for not shooting to slide lock is that a court may well view it as use of excessive force (especially if you have a large capacity weapon). The law allows you to stop a threat, but not to shoot with the intent to kill, which slide lock might suggest. If death occcurs, it should be an unintended consequence of shooting to stop. When the threat is stopped, you stop.

Therefore advocating shooting to slide lock and similar sttements are bad PR for the CCW cause, suggesting we are bloodthirsty or undiscplined nuts.

Some care about unpredictable legal consequences, some don't. Personally, I don't want to risk jail time with Bubba.

C

ron8903

We train double taps C.O.M. on multiple
targets.
Double tap C.O.M./one to head for
singles.
But we all know,In the real world I would probably
go to slide lock,reload.

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Redneck Repairs

As a trainer once told me Firstsies for everyone , then dispense seconds and thirds as needed , get inside the OODA loop ( for the new folks who may not have heard of OODA loop go here http://www.belisarius.com/modern_bus..._good_OODA.pdf ) by " changing their channel " with placed shots , then address the threat(s) by continuing fire until they drop and stop . and remember you need to do this without tunnel vision and while moving to cover . so yea Chris I would say luck plays a role in any confrontation LOL

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You get two courtesy rounds com and then their friends follow until you stop placing me in fear of my life.

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