Rock and Glock

Excellent post! Thank you! Does Treasury also train the IRS Special Agents? I met a few of those in a previous life - I always avoided clients that "knew them" or "wanted to" LOL.

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Sweatnbullets

I practice the same way I teach, which is very close to what you are saying.

On the communication, I believe in verbal challeges/commands (stop, leave me alone, back away, show me your hands) before the shooting starts. But once the shooting starts, I believe it is time to shut my trap and get the job done.

Moving and shooting is the current focus of my training and teachings. The Integrated Threat Focused course is designed to bring the students threat focused skills to a solid level, where these skills can be taken into the arena where they really shine and where they are most needed......dynamic confrontations.

I have found that sighted fire skills are excellent for encounters where "controlled movement" is all that is needed. But when the action is fast and close and you find yourself behind in the reactionary curve, threat focused skills and dynamic movement combine very well into the most effective solution to the problem.

In the Threat Focused courses that I put on, half of the time is spent on ingraining solid threat focused skills. The second half is taking these skills and applying them with dynamic movement in every direction.

Not only is it great to find out what you are really physically capable of, it is also just plain fun training in this manner. I was training a married couple last weekend. He was big on dynamic movement, she had no prior formal training. She informed him before the course that she would not be shooting one handed on the move. She watched for about two seconds before she wanted in on the fun. She had the skills, the confidence, and the ability towards the end of the course and there was no way she was not going to be part of the action and fun.

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Jungle Work

R&G,
The IRS trains their agents and intelligence folks at the FLETC (Fleatic) near Glynco, Ga. a long with most Federal Agencies. All Federal Agencies train there with the exception of the FBI and DEA.
I went thru Basic Police School in 1972 and 1973 when the Treasury Academy was at 1310 L. St. NW in the District of the Congo. I went through the Criminal Investigator School after the school had moved to Georgia. I attended lots and lots of specialized schools at Glynco and at FLETC West at Artesia, NM. Treasury also has a fairly new school for the Northern East Coast and District of the Congo folks at Cheltenham, Maryland. It came onboard as I was about to retire.

Orginally in the early 1970s, the school (FLETC) was slated to be moved from the District of the Congo to Beltsville, Maryland to an area near the EPS (Executive Protective Service, uniformed Secret Service) Training Center. When the citizens found out, land price skyrocketed and the plan was put on hold. When Jaaameeee Carter became president and he was closing several military installations, the Naval Air Station at Glynco, Ga, became available and the decision was made to move the Treasury Academy there instead of Beltsville. Everybody from the National Park Service Rangers to US Marshals goes to the school for Basic and Specialized LE Training. Training and equiptment are top notch, everything from firearms to survellience and counter terrorist training.
Class Room Training can be difficult and the physical requirements can be strenous, to say the least.

The agency that I worked for trained its LE in everything from Mixed Gas Diving to sending it folks to the Navy Field Medical School at Camp LeJeune, NC., besides the LE Training. They also used lot of Non Federal LE Folks to train it's people in specailized areas.

One of the best schools I attended was a Man Tracking School taught by the US Border Patrol.

But back on training, the finest training organization I was a member of was the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors also know as IALEFI. The folks who provide training at the yearly training seminars are the best from around the US and the World and you get to interact with Police Firearms Instructors from all over. It is a real Class Act. If you're a Law Enforcement Officer and train other officers I highly recommend that you look to becoming a member of that organization. It also has associate memberships for firearms instructors who are not LE and folk who just want to support the organization.

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older gunner

Thanks for a good post, JW. The info is sure timely, since most of us only go to the range and shoot targets in a lane. It's good to be reminded to move and seek cover. I like the communication bit. Hadn't thought much about that.

one eyed fatman

Excellent post but I have a question, isn't calling them an A**hole considered communicating? Ya I know I have things to learn.

Sweatnbullets

Here is a short video clip from a course I gave in Vegas last weekend. It shows a couple of the movement drills we ran. You can find the video in post #4.

Please read the context of the video (in post #4 ) before viewing it.

http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/...read.php?t=404

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P95Carry

Context read Roger and vid very good viewing.

Before anyone should come up with major crit's they should try this for themselves!!! OK her draw stroke was maybe needy of some more practice but for one handed shooting I'd say she was rockin'.

Anyone managing this has made some good progress IMO.

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Hunting Coyotes

JW,

Good post and pertinent reminders of having a plan on what to say if put in a confrontation. It helps to practice these verbal commands forcefully and loudly (in the basement where it doesn't bother the wife and kids) so you will be prepared to issue the commands as needed.

As for movement...amen. That is one of the things I like most about IDPA. We practice a lot of movement to cover and shooting on the move. Although I can't speak from actual experience (and happy to report that!), everything I have read and been taught emphasizes the need to shoot, communicate and get to cover.

Thanks again for a good post.

kikr

I practice and teach the same. Even in Unarmed Self Defense (USD) verbalizing the desired result is important...if your doing a take down, shout "DOWN"...also important to be aware of your areas demographics, it may be important to learn a few commands in spanish, tagalog, hangul, or whatever if you have a large segement near you.

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