Military Bases Spinoff - Page 3

TheGreatGonzo · December 21st, 2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MIKEV

Gonzo

I put something in 2nd Ammendment section. I hope this explains my postion for my posting.

Thanks
MikeV

MikeV,
I hope you (and CCW9mm) know I was not trying to knock your legs out from under you. As long as we are working together to promote our firearms rights, I consider us all to be the good guys. :c) The little differences in how we approach it don't amount to much. Our solidarity, on the other hand, goes a long way.
Gonzo

razorblade · December 21st, 2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SIGguy229

I, myself, have had to correct a few wayward Airmen, to the point where I took their weapon away from them and turned it into the 1st Sgt or OIC/Commander. As a professional, I do not tolerate mishandling of weapons or needlessly endangering the lives of fellow Sailors, Soldiers, Airmen or Marines...but then again, to those Airmen whose weapons i've taken...I'm just "that a-hole Major"

You are doing your part in keeping safety a #1 priority. For that, you can NEVER be called an "a-hole."

MIKEV · December 21st, 2006, 06:31 PM

Gonzo;

No worries brother. Believe me I didn't take any offense nor was I angered. My post in the other area although not ment to be inflammatory might have opened a discussion that need not take place.

BTW I fully understand and support the moderator response to remove post.

Thanks
MikeV

A1C Lickey · December 21st, 2006, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SIGguy229

Razorblade....I hear exactly what you are saying....the AF historically has not done any of their members favors by not including small arms training into basic training--however, it is getting better (not to my liking, of course)

As an Airman (the correct, collective term for Air Force members), I do not trust any other Airman with a firearm...this includes Security Forces--unless I have spent some time on the range with them. Why? Most of the time the weapon is either in the armory or in a holster and AF doesn't spend enough $$ on ammo for proper training.

Major- While I have to agree that historically the AF hasn't done much for us when it comes to small arms training we are getting better. Much, much better actually. However, I have to say that some AFSC's fare much better then others.

But I have to ask, what do you have against us getting more combat training?

devilmutt · December 22nd, 2006, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by falkon

How wold you weed out the people with no business owning a hand gun?

I would not weed them out, I would leave that to the legal system. Unfortunately this usually requires that somebody has been harmed.

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Originally Posted by MIKEV

I agree that if you have a permit to carry, you should be proficient in both the use of your firearm as well as the safety and legal aspects of same. However I don't think that ANYONE should be kept from excercising a GOD given, Constitutionally GUARENTEED right to protect themselves. Unless proven by a court of law that they are individually found forfit of that right due to there propencity to do harm rather than good.

Thanks
MikeV

I agree with your statement, I don't think anyone's rights should be taken. However with rights comes responsibilities. It's my opinion that if you want to exercise your rights you should also exercise you responsibilities.

mikep1230 · December 22nd, 2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by A1C Lickey

But I have to ask, what do you have against us getting more combat training?

I'm going out on a limb here, but I think the Major was displeased with the quality of the training, not that we're getting it.

Side note... it's a regular old reunion here.

- SrA Peters

razorblade · December 22nd, 2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mikep1230

I'm going out on a limb here, but I think the Major was displeased with the quality of the training, not that we're getting it.

That is what I interpreted from the Major. Not that he was against Airmen getting more training or the AF in general getting more money for small arms training, but rather he was sharing personal observations in regards to the "minimum" requirements the AF feels is suitable for its members.

SIGguy229 · December 22nd, 2006, 05:09 PM

+1 to mikep...

I am **all for** more training--but the AF hasn't developed institutionally that it is well worth the investment for ALL Airmen to receive the small arms training needed to deploy to fight the GWOT. The best course out there is the Combat Convoy Course--but I don't believe everyone attends. Like SABC, the AF should adopt some basic skills ground training expected by the Army for their Soldiers.

The AF assumes all Airmen will be hunkered down on an established base--I have yet to be deployed where I didn't spend more than half of that time outside the wire. However, the AF didn't see fit to train me or my guys for that mission--by hook or by crook we found the training through other Services...

Bottomline to my rant--when battling the GWOT, the AF needs to change the way of thinking of garrison-like deployments and ensure every Airman can carry and employ/engage small arms (M9, M4/M16) beyond the basic qualification (annual, every two/three years whether they need to or not)--not keep weapons in a locked central location/issue when "needed" while in-theater (like certain bases in SWA)

KC135 · December 22nd, 2006, 07:33 PM

Sirs [officers] are scared of guns. Nothing really new in that situation.

SIGguy229 · December 22nd, 2006, 10:15 PM

Uh...ignorant officers are scared of guns...NCOs are afraid of officers with guns

December 22nd, 2006, 05:09 PM	#28
SIGguy229 VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,003	+1 to mikep... I am all for more training--but the AF hasn't developed institutionally that it is well worth the investment for ALL Airmen to receive the small arms training needed to deploy to fight the GWOT. The best course out there is the Combat Convoy Course--but I don't believe everyone attends. Like SABC, the AF should adopt some basic skills ground training expected by the Army for their Soldiers. The AF assumes all Airmen will be hunkered down on an established base--I have yet to be deployed where I didn't spend more than half of that time outside the wire. However, the AF didn't see fit to train me or my guys for that mission--by hook or by crook we found the training through other Services... Bottomline to my rant--when battling the GWOT, the AF needs to change the way of thinking of garrison-like deployments and ensure every Airman can carry and employ/engage small arms (M9, M4/M16) beyond the basic qualification (annual, every two/three years whether they need to or not)--not keep weapons in a locked central location/issue when "needed" while in-theater (like certain bases in SWA) Last edited by SIGguy229; December 22nd, 2006 at 05:15 PM.

December 22nd, 2006, 07:33 PM	#29
KC135 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 742	Sirs [officers] are scared of guns. Nothing really new in that situation. __________________ Keep the shotgun handy!!

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December 21st, 2006, 06:31 PM	#23
MIKEV Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: PDRMD Posts: 268	Gonzo; No worries brother. Believe me I didn't take any offense nor was I angered. My post in the other area although not ment to be inflammatory might have opened a discussion that need not take place. BTW I fully understand and support the moderator response to remove post. Thanks MikeV

December 22nd, 2006, 10:15 PM	#30
SIGguy229 VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,003	Uh...ignorant officers are scared of guns...NCOs are afraid of officers with guns