Military Bases Spinoff - Page 5

Echo_Four · January 2nd, 2007, 10:08 PM

Chorizo, your comments make me wish you were the current CMC and not the *****bag we have now.

Regardless, I was told that I was there to defend democracy not to practice it every time I asked about something like that. I figured since I signed the contract they had me on that one. But, as a civillian, you're not under their oppressive contract so you should feel free to dig to the bottom.

Chorizo · January 3rd, 2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Echo_Four

Chorizo, your comments make me wish you were the current CMC and not the *****bag we have now.

Regardless, I was told that I was there to defend democracy not to practice it every time I asked about something like that. I figured since I signed the contract they had me on that one. But, as a civillian, you're not under their oppressive contract so you should feel free to dig to the bottom.

Someone was blowing smoke up your tail pipe, Echo_Four. The oath you take is "....defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic..." not to defend democracy. I am still subject to recall as I am retired, but it is a big stretch to call me back because I run up the BS flag on the CMC. Also, thanks for the complement, but I hate DC, so I would have never been in the office as CMC....but that is a good thing. The current CMC sounds like that is all he has ever accompished was get his x in the block and run back to DC.

I can't believe that we can't trust our Marines with weapons...I absolutely disagree with that view. In 21 years in the Corps, it NEVER crossed my mind that they shouldn't have free access to their weapons. Alcohol was another hot button topic for me. If I can trust them with my life, I can trust them to have a cocktail. The ones that violate that trust you deal with.

S/F

SIXTO · January 3rd, 2007, 12:26 AM

I don't know if this has already been stated, I didn't want to read through all five pages and get mad at some of the garbage posts.

Bottom line is this... the military or any large organizations have to deal with all kinds of people. A whole bunch of them are lucky they can tie their own shoes. I can say this, 'cause I lived with them for several years.
So when rules are made, they have to be made with the lowest common denominator in mind. They also have an interest in keeping their assests safe, both people and hardware. The only way to do this is to minimize liabilties.
The rules and regs are written by pencil pushers and bean counters who believe that problem personel can't be "dealt" with as Chorizo put it. For the most part he is correct, they are dealt with. In the case of firearms, the dealing is mostly done when its to late.

Chorizo · January 3rd, 2007, 09:32 PM

Yep, SIXTO you are right, they are dealt with. And better dealt with in the barracks than when they are standing at my "six" when I am in a firefight. Spent 21 years with them, I know what I am speaking of. The "I am just looking out for their own safety" and "I know what is best for you" mentality is the same elitist attitude that polititions adopt when they want to ban guns/concealed carry/high capacity mags/knives longer than 3" or what ever else they don't think you should have.

We don't restrict cops from their weapons, why should we restrict combat professionals from theirs? If we used your rules, then why do the hell do we even issue cops weapons? These professional warriors shouldn't have to give up their rights to defend those same rights for others.

SIXTO · January 3rd, 2007, 10:47 PM

I think you may have missed my intended message. I was just trying to illustrate the thought process behind the rules.

I agree with you; but there are a lot of them who are lucky the can tie their own shoes... but they get dealt with rather quickly by their peers.

Chorizo · January 3rd, 2007, 11:06 PM

I did miss your point. I apologize. I have always said the best pressure is peer pressure. Just ask any barracks thief!

SIXTO · January 3rd, 2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chorizo

I did miss your point. I apologize. I have always said the best pressure is peer pressure. Just ask any barracks thief!

LOL! We had a few of them, they didnt last very long!

January 2nd, 2007, 10:08 PM	#41
Echo_Four Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,029	Chorizo, your comments make me wish you were the current CMC and not the *****bag we have now. Regardless, I was told that I was there to defend democracy not to practice it every time I asked about something like that. I figured since I signed the contract they had me on that one. But, as a civillian, you're not under their oppressive contract so you should feel free to dig to the bottom. __________________ "The only people I like besides my wife and children are Marines." - Lt. Col. Oliver North Firearm Facts Christian Warrior Ministries

January 3rd, 2007, 09:32 PM	#44
Chorizo Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: SW Idaho Posts: 387	Yep, SIXTO you are right, they are dealt with. And better dealt with in the barracks than when they are standing at my "six" when I am in a firefight. Spent 21 years with them, I know what I am speaking of. The "I am just looking out for their own safety" and "I know what is best for you" mentality is the same elitist attitude that polititions adopt when they want to ban guns/concealed carry/high capacity mags/knives longer than 3" or what ever else they don't think you should have. We don't restrict cops from their weapons, why should we restrict combat professionals from theirs? If we used your rules, then why do the hell do we even issue cops weapons? These professional warriors shouldn't have to give up their rights to defend those same rights for others. __________________ Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share. Si vis pacem, para bellum - Vegetius If you want peace, prepare for war P-12 45acp CZ 2075 40 S&W

January 3rd, 2007, 11:06 PM	#46
Chorizo Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: SW Idaho Posts: 387	I did miss your point. I apologize. I have always said the best pressure is peer pressure. Just ask any barracks thief! __________________ Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share. Si vis pacem, para bellum - Vegetius If you want peace, prepare for war P-12 45acp CZ 2075 40 S&W

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January 3rd, 2007, 12:26 AM	#43
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 10,071	I don't know if this has already been stated, I didn't want to read through all five pages and get mad at some of the garbage posts. Bottom line is this... the military or any large organizations have to deal with all kinds of people. A whole bunch of them are lucky they can tie their own shoes. I can say this, 'cause I lived with them for several years. So when rules are made, they have to be made with the lowest common denominator in mind. They also have an interest in keeping their assests safe, both people and hardware. The only way to do this is to minimize liabilties. The rules and regs are written by pencil pushers and bean counters who believe that problem personel can't be "dealt" with as Chorizo put it. For the most part he is correct, they are dealt with. In the case of firearms, the dealing is mostly done when its to late.

January 3rd, 2007, 10:47 PM	#45
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 10,071	I think you may have missed my intended message. I was just trying to illustrate the thought process behind the rules. I agree with you; but there are a lot of them who are lucky the can tie their own shoes... but they get dealt with rather quickly by their peers.