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Old August 25th, 2008, 11:54 PM   #141
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As a LEO myself, I know a lot of LEO'S. I can't say that I wouldn't shoot someone who is not pointing a weapon at me, but is pointing a weapon at someone else. As a LEO, we have more of a responsibility to act than a CCW holder. To me, just because the BG isn't pointing the weapon at me, doesn't mean I would not discharge my weapon if the BG is threatening someone else. OMO
Sure, but you would surely assess the situation. I agree that one should not be holding a gun when the LEO arrives, but if one were holding a BG who had just slit his GF throat and you shot I think you would be unjustified since there was no threat to anyone except the BG. Sure you would not know who was who, but if there were no shooting, it would be a mistake to just drive up see a man holding a gun and shoot him without any command to drop the gun.

It is up to you what you would do, but having been on a Chiefs Advisory Committee I know how I think about such things, and how some chiefs think. You are paid to take more risk, and you have a greater responsibility to use good judgment. If you drove up, saw someone holding a gun not pointed at you, and just shot him you would be negligent in my view.
In all cases it is a judgment call, and one has the right to expect an LEO to use good judgment, even if not perfect.

I will leave it at that as we probably will not come to a complete agreement. I think we can agree that any method, such as a badge, that would try to tell a cop that the CHL holder is a good guy and it is OK for him to hold his gun is a really bad idea, and would cause more trouble than he was prepared for.

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Old August 25th, 2008, 11:57 PM   #142
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If you drove up, saw someone holding a gun not pointed at you, and just shot him you would be negligent in my view.
It may very well be negligent; but that someone is still dead.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 12:38 AM   #143
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It may very well be negligent; but that someone is still dead.

Yeah... kind of a hollow victory!

You're dead, but by golly the guy who shot you was out of line!

Don't think my wife would be feeling the righteousness in that case.

Although... she may be getting a settlement later on down the road, so she may be ok with it. At least I'd be out of her hair... Ok, I have a twisted sense of humor.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 03:06 AM   #144
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They seem to "must have" the ccw badge, or some "special ID holder" or some other gimmick!

Which leads one to question, What is the real motive for wanting a ccw badge?
I wouldn't mind having a CCW Badge just for a novelty... something just to keep around the house for show, but I'm not spending $40+ for something that will not have an actual use. And no, I wouldn't take it outside, concealed means concealed.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 04:06 AM   #145
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Old August 26th, 2008, 09:24 AM   #146
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Obviously, the original poster on this blog, just doesn't get it. CCW is exactly that!! If everyone carried OC, then there would be no need for a badge. The whole purpose of CCW, is the element of surprise. Pure and simple.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 09:46 AM   #147
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How about a self inflating mylar balloon that you can deploy while you're waiting for police to show up. It would pop out of your hat and have " DON'T SHOOT I'M A GOOD GUY " printed on it in reflective ink ?
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How about a self inflating mylar balloon that you can deploy while you're waiting for police to show up. It would pop out of your hat and have " DON'T SHOOT I'M A GOOD GUY " printed on it in reflective ink ?
...but then the criminals will start using that, too.
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I can see it now -- bad guys advertising phony "ARMED decals for only $100.00. Enhances armed robbery success by 100% by making the public think you are one of the good guys."

If you want to give up concealed carry and go to open carry, why don't you just come out and say it. On the other hand, if you have yearnings to be a cop or a soldier, go apply.

In the meanwhile, if there is any problem, I have my permit in my wallet.
Geez. The license or permit in the OP would be concealed until it was needed. So for most states, the "BG" would have to duplicate something that looks like a driver's license - then walk around with it in the open - which AGAIN - was not what the OP stated.

Second part of your comment is totally uncalled for. If you would have read the OP - it is a flip down license/permit holder - that remains concealed. I don't see this in any way desiring to be a cop or anything else. IT IS NOT A BADGE that resembles in ANY FASHION THAT OF A LEO. At best it does it's job and identifies you quickly to any responding LEOs - at worst it looks like an employment badge and had no effect one way or the other. I do like the idea of being able to "quickly" hand over identification - this is really no different than some keeping their driver's license/reg on the visor.

Some off you just jump on the "bashing bandwagon" because it is rolling. And get way off topic from what the OP had intended.
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