Cthulhu

Are the people who market these kinds of things actually concealed carriers themselves?

-JT

boscobeans

"Some off you just jump on the "bashing bandwagon" because it is rolling. And get way off topic from what the OP had intended."

Good Point (and I am guilty as charged)..

Back to the POINT...

Please let's hear from some LEOs .

If a CCW holder uses his weapon and is now standing by a downed BG who may not be totally disabled and placing his gun in holster or on the ground may not be smart if bad guy is still able to continue his actions, (he is veing held at bay by the weapon).

What would be the best way to let the law know the situation?? ??

JerryM

It is very sad if we do have many so poorly trained and who exercise such poor judgment. I simply do not believe that any LEO will just drive up, and see someone holding a gun and shoot when no gun is pointing at him.

I bet that no rules of engagement tell/permit one to do that. If you know a department that tells the officer it is OK to do it let me know.

PS. I admit that I am a CCW badge hater. :)

Regards,
Jerry

SIXTO

Thats not what I said, nor was it my point. My point was that doing things properly will save everybody involved a lot of grief, and a badge, ID card or mylar ballon isnt going to matter a hill of beans in the heat of the moment.

Things get dicey during a shooting, and a lot of things that "should be" get thrown out of the window. There are no hard "rules of engagment"during an active shoot. The only one is to go home.
Please show me the rules that LEO's or another good intentioned CCW holder must ask for ID or have a conversation before shooting to stop a threat, real or not.

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Bark'n

I'm still going to follow commands the LEO's give me.

If I have the opportunity to do so, I'll simply state, "Officer, this man tried to rob me (or threatened to kill me) I shot him, but he is still armed!"

I may be able to say that before the responding officer challenges me, or I may be able to say that as I am putting my gun down, or I may be able to say that after I'm in handcuffs.

Bottom line is not to get shot by responding LEO's. The best way to do that is to not be holding my gun when they arrive. If I am holding my gun when they arrive, the second best way not to get shot is to do exactly as they tell me to do!

I seriously do not understand why this continues to be such a big dilemma with a lot of people. They assume the cops are going to automatically shoot you when they arrive on scene. People get shot by the cops because they don't follow their commands when challenged by the responding officers.

To me it's a no brainer!

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"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, will prey on those of us who without one, would surely perish."

calmp9

I was thinking the same thing. Avoidance is always the first option. When he was threatened, he did not have the opportunity to draw his firearm. After the robbers left the store, the threat was gone. No use chasing them and shooting at them outside the store. I realize that Mr. An lost all that money, but that was his fault for leaving it in the till. One of the first rules of owning a store is to never keep that much cash in the register. Only leave enough to make change. My family had a grocery store for over 30 years, so I know from experience. Two of my family members were held up at gunpoint, but they got very little because there was very little in the register. I was a kid when these incidents happened and I know that they didn't believe in firearms. This is the reason why I carry now.

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rottkeeper

These things are probably invented by the BGs so they can tell whose carrying. What better way to pick an easy target?

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FlyboyLDB

What? Folding identification holders, that essentially look like a business card case? How many people can you tell are carrying by these cases/holders? The OP WAS NOT talking about a BADGE, but rather a folding business card type case that contained a valid CCW permit/license that could, if a shooting took place, immediately unfold for all to see - general public, other ccw\permit holders, LEOs, etc. I actually like the idea. If it adds a small precentage or margin of keeping me alive, then I am for it. I doubt it would be wise to holster your gun when a shooting takes place until LEOs are present. Again, this is not a BADGE. I know a lot of you, for whatever reason, see this as a LEO badge. Just look closely at the OP pic.

FN1910

Evidently is does take a brain and it appears that some don't have one or at least don't use the one they have. If a LEO is holding a gun on you and says for you to put your down, don't argue with him. You may be right but also dead right.

nativenyerintexas

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