CHL Badges - Page 17

rottkeeper · August 26th, 2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyboyLDB

What? Folding identification holders, that essentially look like a business card case? How many people can you tell are carrying by these cases/holders?

Let me be more clear, when worn on the belt folded or open would be a give away. I have never seen anyone carrying business cards on a belt.
We can go back and forth all day but IMO they are of no use as long as you already have a valid permit on your person. The only difference is the reflective stripes.

Hondov65 · August 26th, 2008, 11:45 PM

I would consider wearing a badge if they were numbered controlled and mandadiated Federally.

mulle46 · August 26th, 2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryM

Sure, but you would surely assess the situation. I agree that one should not be holding a gun when the LEO arrives, but if one were holding a BG who had just slit his GF throat and you shot I think you would be unjustified since there was no threat to anyone except the BG. Sure you would not know who was who, but if there were no shooting, it would be a mistake to just drive up see a man holding a gun and shoot him without any command to drop the gun.

It is up to you what you would do, but having been on a Chiefs Advisory Committee I know how I think about such things, and how some chiefs think. You are paid to take more risk, and you have a greater responsibility to use good judgment. If you drove up, saw someone holding a gun not pointed at you, and just shot him you would be negligent in my view.In all cases it is a judgment call, and one has the right to expect an LEO to use good judgment, even if not perfect.

I will leave it at that as we probably will not come to a complete agreement. I think we can agree that any method, such as a badge, that would try to tell a cop that the CHL holder is a good guy and it is OK for him to hold his gun is a really bad idea, and would cause more trouble than he was prepared for.

Regards,
Jerry

I think we agree more than we disagree. I just meant that I can't say for sure on a forum what I would do in every situation because its speculation. I did miss in your post where the GG was following all orders from the LEO. In that case, I wouldn't shoot. However, from the bold sentence above, I don't agree that every LEO who did that would be negligent. To me, there's not enough info there to determine that. Too many variables could be present that aren't described. Too many what-ifs. I definitely agree that anything that could cause the GG to hesitate complying with LEO instructions in a SD situation could turn out very bad for all involved.

Rusty Bouquett · August 26th, 2008, 11:52 PM

If I could get one of those folding card thingys do you think it'd go well with my Roy Rogers secret decoder ring?

SIXTO · August 27th, 2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty Bouquett

If I could get one of those folding card thingys do you think it'd go well with my Roy Rogers secret decoder ring?

rottkeeper · August 27th, 2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty Bouquett

If I could get one of those folding card thingys do you think it'd go well with my Roy Rogers secret decoder ring?

No... But it will clip onto a Batman cape.

nativenyerintexas · August 27th, 2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hondov65

I would consider wearing a badge if they were numbered controlled and mandadiated Federally.

I think this is something Texas is considering for the open carry proposal and backed by Gov Rick Perry.

ccw9mm · August 27th, 2008, 11:23 AM

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I would consider wearing a badge if they were numbered controlled and mandadiated Federally.

And yet, CHL cards are already numbered, controlled and issued by each state. A "badge" isn't sufficiently different in nature that it would guard against negligent shootings where CHL's fail to do so; guard against mistaken identity at the time of inbound LEO's arriving and assessing the situation; guard against forgery by criminals to any degree beyond what's done now.

kohburn · August 27th, 2008, 01:21 PM

from my understanding even out of uniform police are disarmed and detained untill their status and the situation can be verified.

kohburn · August 27th, 2008, 01:24 PM

I would say that Mr. An made a few mistakes, the first was having that much cash in the register, second was chasing them out of the store and shooting up the neighborhood. the final nail in the coffin was pour muzzle control. Most likely he finally heard the police and turned around to see them, and as many inexperienced untrained citizens do, the gun pointing the way he was facing instead of in a safe direction. Its not that uncommon to see people do this at ranges (and rather unnerving when it happens)

if he had been trained a little better he probably wouldn't have missed as much either.

August 26th, 2008, 11:45 PM	#162
Hondov65 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 95	I would consider wearing a badge if they were numbered controlled and mandadiated Federally. __________________ "We are Texas Rangers sent by the Governor Himself and our jurisdiction is anywhere we happen to be." Agustus McCrae Got A Problem? The Odds Aganist You? Call The Equalizer 212-555-4200 NRA Member

August 27th, 2008, 01:21 PM	#169
kohburn Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lusby, MD Posts: 210	from my understanding even out of uniform police are disarmed and detained untill their status and the situation can be verified. __________________ "An armed society is a polite society" - Robert A. Heinlein

August 27th, 2008, 01:24 PM	#170
kohburn Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lusby, MD Posts: 210	I would say that Mr. An made a few mistakes, the first was having that much cash in the register, second was chasing them out of the store and shooting up the neighborhood. the final nail in the coffin was pour muzzle control. Most likely he finally heard the police and turned around to see them, and as many inexperienced untrained citizens do, the gun pointing the way he was facing instead of in a safe direction. Its not that uncommon to see people do this at ranges (and rather unnerving when it happens) if he had been trained a little better he probably wouldn't have missed as much either. __________________ "An armed society is a polite society" - Robert A. Heinlein

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August 26th, 2008, 11:52 PM	#164
Rusty Bouquett Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lake Wobegon Posts: 415	If I could get one of those folding card thingys do you think it'd go well with my Roy Rogers secret decoder ring?