carver

IMHO, we as legally armed citizens have a responsibility that comes with the carrying of a gun. We are not the law! You can bet your sweet *** that if I hear gun fire while at the mall, I will head in the opposite direction! I have no urge to go see what has happened, it has happened! It's over, and I can't change it. I will not go in search of the BG, or a shoot out! If it comes to me, that's different! If, as in your second scenario, I should walk in accidentally on a robbery in progress, I would have to assess the situation. I am now a witness to a shooting. What are my responsibilities? Again, I am not the law. I have no authority to arrest, or detain anyone, and as a private citizen I can be charged with assault, or false imprisonment if I try. Not to mention that I might get shot! If the GG has just shot the BG, things will resolve themselves in short order. I will know that the GG is the GG. If it turns out that the BG has shot the GG, I might get shot because I'm a witness. If he's standing there with a gun in his hand, not trying to flee after just commiting murder in front of a witness, then he is a nut. Anyway, if he's the BG, and a nut, he already has a gun in his hand, and he's looking at me. How much of a chance do you think I would have if I tried to draw on him while standing in the open?

And no badge for me! No one will know I'm carrying untill I draw my weapon. I will never draw my weapon unless a life is threatened! When I do draw it, I will shoot till the threat goes away!

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cwblanco

If you want a badge which in effect says "I have a weapon," then why not just move to open carry carry state. Otherwise, if you want a badge, then become a LEO or joint the military where there will be no question about the probability of your carrying, and that way you will not get accidentally shot.

jfl

Excellent post, my thoughts exactly !!!

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TN_Mike

I'll pass.

I don't think the badge is a good idea and I don't think this thing is a good idea either.

Being a permit holder gives you no official standing or authority so it is best not to wear any item that may convey that you do have any type of official authority.

I'm just an ordinary guy, who has had a little training and had a background check run on him. I'm not a cop. I will wear nothing that gives anyone, LEO or private person, any chance to think otherwise.

That is a great post and very nearly identical to how I feel.

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Deanimator

My "alternative" is NOTHING. In Ohio neither a badge, nor a sandwich board nor a tattoo on your forehead legally entitles you to carry a concealed firearm. Only an Ohio CHL or similar document from a state with which Ohio has reciprocity does. That means that any such item is just useless weight... and a useless expense.

Just as soon as carry a "CWP badge" or anything of the sort, you might as well carry an original Captain Midnight "Code-O-Graph":



At least that has SOME value, which can be expected in fact to appreciate.

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civic2nr86

You gotta do whatever you can to lower that risk agreed? Besides the badge or whatnot, what can you do to buy yourself more time? Other's will probably not see things your way especially when there are so much anti gunners out there. So lets say you conceal this badge right by your concealed firearm, could that really be a bad thing? People are going to be scared either way when they see a gun, but a badge will calm the most extreme sheepie down.

Again, things are not going to be what you expected. You do not know the mind of the robber, or the other innocent people around you. I would think everyone would be high strung and may act differently and illogically. Instead of hearing gun shot, lets say you are smack dab in the middle of the robbery and/or being rob yourself. You shoot the BG and another CCW holder from a different vantage point takes you down. What do you suggest will buy you time when SHTF? Again, a badge will calm the most extreme sheepies down, in most cases. Also, again, I am not saying it is a good idea, but what else can be done?

You cannot expect others to think logically anytime a gun is presented. I know we all here can assess the situation if needed, but there is always that chance of a hothead that you guys fear most who is most likely the cop wanna be you guys speak of, and what is to convince him that you did not just killed and rob the BG?



If they cannot see your weapon, how can they see your badge if it is in the same area? When you draw your weapon (i know you will only draw if you have to, then your badge may or may not be exposed, and it may or may not buy you more time, but wouldn't you rather stack the odds in your favor? What can YOU do to buy you more time? Again people will be in a state of panic, shock, anything that can make them think irrationally, and if JOE cowboy just walks in and sees you just shot someone, everyone else is freaking out and screaming, how does that look like you're a GG? He may just draw on you, or he may just shoot you. AND if he just draws on you, what is to stop YOU from thinking he is an ACCOMPLICE in your current state of mind? Do you honestly know exactly what you will do when the situation arises where you will HAVE to draw your weapon according to your standards? Your senses may be all out of whacked and you may not be able to think clearly, just like JOE cowboy.

I agree, but what is YOUR idea?

FN1910

In my opinion every scenario that anyone has come up with for using a badge reeks of mall ninja and poor judgement on the part of the CWP holder(s). If you have time to worry about a badge in making a decision to shoot or not could put be put to better use running and going back home watching Dirty Harry again.

KenInColo

IMHO, badges are for LEOs; they earned them and they keep earning them every day.

My training will 'kick in' if it becomes necessary.

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civic2nr86

Once again, its not me im worried about, and like I said the idea of a badge doesn't appeal to me as well, but what else can buy you time without saying a word? I agree that some of these scenarios includes poor judgement from CWP holder(s) but just like drivers, you can only guarantee that you do your job, you cannot speak for anyone else. It is not about the decision to shoot, the decision has already been made, now how will you survive if another acts instinctively?

LongRider

May I ask have any of the advocates of these Wanna Be Badges ever been in a life and death situation?
The reason I ask is one old cliche keeps coming to mind as I wade through all the rationales for a Wanna Be Badge
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
We train and practice to condition our bodies and minds. Our lives depend upon immediate instinctive intuitive reactions in the midst of the screaming smoke blood and stench. To the identify threat(s) focus on the target move off the X fire check your six fire move fire move reload. Where in any of that is there is there time to get that precious Wanna Be Badge? What are you going to do with it? Choose to shot one handed so you can hold it over your head screaming I am a good guy? If so I can guarantee you that NO ONE will care NO ONE will even see it. All they will see is GUN. They will not be able to tell if you are black white or an alien. They will not be able to tell if your hair is green red black brown or bald. They will not see if you have red polka dot jeans or a Louis Raphel suit. All they will know is that you have a HUGE GUN about a 150 caliber with a two foot barrel. If you dont believe that ask the LEO here or better yet go read the police reports of people who have been robbed at gun point. In any one robbery you rarely if ever find any two descriptions that match.
Or do you plan on showing it to LEO when they arrive to an active shooting call sirens blaring adrenaline pumped. When they order you to drop the gun, to get on your knees and you reach for your Wanna Be Badge located where people carry their gun, what do you think will happen? They are going to run up and give you the keys to the city? Or will they pump you full of lead?
Look at the forum here there must be a couple of hundred years of combat experience and knowledge here. Men who have bled and shed blood. Men who have seen the horror. Both here and abroad. NOT ONE advocates the Wanna Be Badge. Maybe there is a reason?
I am not so stuck on stupid as to insist that my delusional fantasy imaginings of what it might be like over rides what experienced men universally tell me it is a bad idea.
But hey if you know it all go for it. Its a free country. If you do. Can you will me your guns? I'll cut a notch in them in your memory.

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