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Old November 20th, 2007, 10:03 AM   #11
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That is essentially a Libertarian perspective, and IMO hard to refute. In fact, the only reason Governments can force us to do things against our will, things which are not "inherently" illegal, such as murder, for example, is because Goverment has a monopoly on the use of force. By that I mean, if you believe ,again for example, that the government has no legal or moral right to impose certain regulations on business, or to take away your right to own a gun,the government can enforce those regulations because they have a a monopoly on the use of force.

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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:13 AM   #12
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also, there are many ways to manipulate and threaten people, without addressing force or reason.
Examples?
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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:22 AM   #13
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Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. <...> Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. .... .
uh, not exactly dichotomous, unless you call Charity, or maybe you call it Love, a force. And this isn't a kissy sort of thing, it's the motivation for a soldier (sailor, airman, marine, coastie, cop, firefighter) to do something for a buddy or "civilian" and the sort of thing we didn't know we had in us when it comes to protecting family. We do what is unreasonable without coercion.

I offer this as the principal reason many of us carry; we have no reasson to believe we will ever be threatened, and no one makes us wear a weapon anymore, but we feel motivated to defend ourselves and our families.
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That's a good commentary. It calls to mind one of my favorite quotes: "All men are not created equal. Sam Colt made 'em that way."
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uh, not exactly dichotomous, unless you call Charity, or maybe you call it Love, a force. And this isn't a kissy sort of thing, it's the motivation for a soldier (sailor, airman, marine, coastie, cop, firefighter) to do something for a buddy or "civilian" and the sort of thing we didn't know we had in us when it comes to protecting family. We do what is unreasonable without coercion.
I belive i understand what you posted , and where i come from we call it morality . We dont stand by and see a woman or child struck , we dont stand by while a pure beating is handed to another man even if he " asked for it " by somones opinion . The elderly here are still sir and mam and doors are still held for all who may be behind you ( not just women ) . Of course where i live is heavily armed and morality and the freedom of arms seems to go hand in hand .
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