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Old January 25th, 2008, 06:04 PM   #1
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insurance and 'gun-free zones'

Does anyone know if private business owners get some kind of insurance break for posting a gun-free zone sign?

After doing business with the College Book Rack (Jacksonville, FL on Beach Blvd and St. Johns), for several months, I just noticed the sign. The sign is so far out of the way (bottom pane of glass about 15 feet from the nearest door) that I seriously doubt it's meant to make sheeple feel safer since they would never notice.

It's the only logical explanation I can think of as to why they would put it so far out of the way.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 06:17 PM   #2
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I'm not sure. But, if you work at an area with a gun free zone, parking lot included, and a car jacker shoots you on the way to work, is the company's insurance liable? It is because of there, feel good rule that you couldn't have a firearm with you since you work there. Just wondering how it would work out.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 06:26 PM   #3
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I can't imagine why they bother to post it.
If they are an official part of hte school, firearms are forbidden, as I recall.

If they are simply trying to ban firearms, they're wasting their effort - FL doesn't give any significance to signs.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 07:22 PM   #4
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I have never heard of any legal challenges, but it has always mystified me that the NRA and organizations like it have never turned to this avenue to bring attention to this.. After all, why not turn the same scumbag lawyers loose on a business owner that disarms its patrons, yet fails to provide adequate security after they have disarmed you. if you think about it, people can sue and get compensation if they fall down the stairs in a shopping mall and hurt themselves, why not for being murdered while disarmed??
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Old January 25th, 2008, 07:40 PM   #5
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Generally you cannot sue unless someone has an obligation to protect you. As SCOTUS and varying levels of the judicial branch below them have generally found, you are obligated to protect yourself unless someone assures you they will protect you. For example, a woman rented a spot in a garage that was advertised as "secured" and "state of the art". She was raped one night on the way to her car. The property owner actually had about two dozen fake cameras and only three or four live cameras, as well as a guard who patrolled intermittently. She won her suit because of the assurances they had inadvertently made. In the case of the mall, they are prohibiting firearms. They are not assuring you that they will keep you safe.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 07:55 PM   #6
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would a guard check in, and card sliders lead you to assume that you place of work is deemed "Secure" even though the guards do not have firearms?
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Old January 25th, 2008, 08:57 PM   #7
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Probably not
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Old January 25th, 2008, 08:59 PM   #8
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well. not to me either. I was thinking from the businesses point of view.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 11:44 PM   #9
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well. not to me either. I was thinking from the businesses point of view.
The primary business function of a Security Guard is to reduce liability insurance.
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therefore taking responsibility for your security from the "Security" Guard?
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