DirksterG30

The way I see it, anti's come in 3 varieties:

Some have a wrong view of human nature. They think that people are OK until they get a gun in their hands; then they become raving psychopaths. (except for themselves, several noted anti's have or have had CCW licenses - Dianne Feinstein for example).

Gun-free zones, waiting-periods... in their mind are ways (short of the outright ban that they want) to keep people from guns. Their mantra is "guns cause crime." In truth, while all people are capable of great evil, having a piece of wood, metal & plastic in their hands doesn't make a difference. What matters is what's in the heart of man.

The second variety know full well that guns don't cause crime, but see private ownership as an obstacle to "the greater good", namely socialism. People cannot have personal responsibility for their own welfare or safety; they must see that the state is their nanny, provider and protector. They know what the 2nd Amendment really means, and they oppose it for that reason.

The third variety - gun-control for them is a way to keep getting elected, and to appear to be doing something about violent crime, while failing to address the real reasons. (the mayor of Washington D.C. comes to mind)

All of them don't have a problem distorting/fabricating 'facts' and misrepresenting our position. For them, the ends do justify the means.

I just hope that the ordinary Joe out there sees that they were sold a bill of goods by the gun-haters. For me there is no better argument right now than what's happening in NO. Gang of looters, arsonists, rapists... roaming the streets, with the police unable or unwilling to protect private citizens. The best way to stay safe in that environment is to be armed and willing to use your weapons to defend family and property.

QKShooter

Thank your news media for lots of that BS.
We just saw that with "Blood Running In The Streets" & Gunfights At High Noon before Ohio went Concealed Carry.

Do I ever want to be forced to shoot somebody?...No, never.

If we ever had a Dawn Of The Dead situation with Zombies busting up out of the ground...that might be cool...because ~ "The Undead" are already dead.
I sure don't to ever want to make any live person dead though.

P95Carry

Thx for the good post there Scott - and thx to the others too.

True I guess, there are some folks who ''think'' they'd go ballistic when mad and shoot the place up - but would they? Even with these gut emotion anti's I have to wonder (more like hope maybe) that actually they are talking hot air and if stopping to think would see things in perspective.

But it is a fact there are some who should never have or carry a gun simply thru shere instability so if said folks realize that and do not own - so much the better. But that get's beyond a joke when they try to impose their ideas on the rest of us.

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tanksoldier

Having actually done it in Iraq, I can say that (at least for me) you can't WANT to do it, but you also can't NOT WANT to do it. If for some reason you WANT to shoot somebody/ something (and some of the young Soldiers over there claim to want to kill somebody, I guess they see it as being tough or a rite of passage, I see it as being young and scared and trying to fool yourself that you ARE tough) anyway, if you WANT to, then you'll interpret situations too agressively and shoot when you shouldn't. Likewise, if you DON'T WANT to shoot, you'll hesitate and not engage when you should. There is often very little time between when the BG crosses the line on the ROE that allows you to shoot, and he actually begins shooting. If you hesitate you give the BG the first shot... which means you or a buddy could be killed. Sometimes this results in bad engagements where the wrong people get shot... I haven't done it yet but I've seen it. Bad things happen in war. You just have to accept it and roll out the next day ready to do it again.

In the civilian world that line is even finer, often requiring you to actually see the gun or other weapon... you can't afford to shoot somebody going for a wallet or cell phone, though in my case a "gangbanger" pretending to reach for a weapon in his pants is probably dead. If you hesitate once it is clear you are in danger you give the BG an even bigger advantage.

According to Musashi's "A Book of Five Rings" it is human nature to hesitate to kill another human being. Even with a weapon out and at the neck of his victim (Musashi was a swordsman in medieval Japan), most humans will hesitate a fraction of a second to actually strike. That is your only advantage as a warrior, and allows you to overcome your enemy's advantage of suprise... if you overcome that hesitation you can regain the initiative lost by the need to be sure the BG is a threat.

So, my mindset is neither that I want to or I don't, it is simply that I will.

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gunthorp

With the perfectly balanced attitude of tanksoldier, and a calm vigilence, maybe the need to shoot will diminish. The history of human nature probably means it'll never disappear altogether. I agree, we prepare so we can avoid hesitation, if we can't avoid confrontation.

p95carry, you mentioned the topic, I found a psychiatrist's article on the mindset of the gun-banner that echos what scott said. http://www.gunthorp.com/Understandin... mentality.htm

Thanks miggy, I enjoyed your "you can tell if" list in the humor threads.

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P95Carry

gunthorp - thx a lot for the link - I have yet to read in entirity but will save and peruse later. Appears excellent and I am grateful you showed it. Great stuff.

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is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."

If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

FortyFive

Thanks tanksoldier, a very good writeup. Chris, There have been some shootings by cut-off motorist and people angry at their neighbors dog or some other stupid reason. People today will still shoot at dogs bothering stock or coming to close to their house. I would also wager that someone with a ccw has produced a firearm to stop someone from hurting them one time or another but never pulled the trigger. The anti-s hate the NRA, why exactly I don't know. They are against even looking at a gun, discussing is out of the question. At some point we just step aside like seeing doggie doo in our path. Its not going to change! We as individual CCW folks(when allowed) just have to be carefull and continue to use good sense.

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safestop

I would not ever want to take a life but I do know I could.

I think Ben Franklin said it well "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
My thoughts are that the government is taking away our liberty and promising us safety.
Just to add to the coversation, I'm a politician! I have been Mayor of the fastest growing city in the state of Washington, for the last 8 years. We have been thru 2 earthquakes one small and one 6.8 and been thru 4 floods one with water up to the waist in some areas, thru all this and a huge ice storm where we had road grators that could not could not stay on the road and police officers that had to crawl to get back to thier cars, we did not have any looting and no gunfire, I do not see how anyone could ask or take a law abiding citizens gun from them. We have a great police and fire force but we could not get to everybody at anytime we wanted so folks had to take care of themselves. If the call was left to me, we would never take a gun but I would issue shoot to kill orders if someone took a shot at rescue personel.
Regards,
Fuzzy

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FortyFive

Dam safestop good one, welcome aboard. Those ice storms don't sound like much fun at all. We worry much here in CA about the gun grabbers. Take care and if you got any good places to eat salmon up that way pass them along.

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jmiked

I too have pulled a trigger in Harms Way. Had nightmares for years! I do not want to serve with someone who WANTS to pull that trigger. Only with those who will when they HAVE TO.

The decision to kill another human being should never be desire, only the last resort!!!!