RSSZ

If I(me) feel that the BG is still a threat to me I will shoot. That is my "line in the sand" that the BG will either step accross or not. If I have adaquate cover and he is doin' the "kickin' chicken" in the middle of the parking lot and his weapon is lying beside him,I will not shoot. If he grabs for the weapon I will not shoot. If he points the weapon at me I will shoot him at least twice more. If he attempts to harm (shoot) another individual I will shoot him at least twice. If I do not have adaquate cover then things will change. Now I (without cover) will feel threatened again if he makes a move,any move,for his weapon and I truly feel that he is not injured enough to bring it to bare on me or another individual. All this will also change if he has(or I even feel strongly that he has) a buddy lurking about.----- These decissions will have to be made very quickly,in the heavy rain,and/or at night. Maybe even total darkness. Can we really train for every condition that might come our way? I'll tell ya one thing. My buddy and I train in all different conditions. We purposely go out to the club when it is raining. When it is very,very,hot we intentionally will shoot our drills in the scorching Fla. sun(sweat factor). My Kimber has been pulled completely apart quite a few times now to dry it out. I have even dunked it into a bucket of water,pulled it out fairly quickly and shot it. All this to be as ready/trained as myself and my CCW could be. It is an extreme confidence builder. In youself, and your weapons abilities.Try it,you'll see.--------

QKShooter

In Pennsylvania if you have a first obligation to retreat & (if at all possible) avoid a deadly threat...but, if you DO get involved in an unavoidable confrontation/shooting...and shoot the BG in Self Defense...He Goes DOWN....so that NOW he seems NOT to be an immediate threat...do you now STILL have an obligation to retreat & get away from the still potentially deadly situation & to a safer location?
I (of course) am not talking about fleeing the scene but, is the obligation still to get away to a safer spot & phone 911?
It's an interesting PA. Legal question.
Let's say that you "stick around" when you could have easily moved halfway down the block to wait for the Police....& the BG moves for the weapon & you shoot again...could you possibly be legally accused of "Sticking Around" when you were presented with a Second Chance to retreat after the BG was shot & went down the first time. Just wondering.

LPguy

I've had a few shoplifters try this one on me. (out of breath from running and falling down) Not allowed to carry on that job, my options are always limited. I always pulled out the cell and called the boys in blue, tactfully staying on the BG's far side so if he rolled for any reason, at least I had a few seconds to react.

Mike

uudl

Never give the BG a second chance at you. If you are alone, cover him, keep your distance,use your phone to call for help and be sure and advise the first responders that the BG is still armed.

QKShooter

That if there are still any forum members that are still cell phone "hold outs" & don't have one yet...at least get a pre-paid cheapy & carry it just for those possible emergency 911 calls.
Saved me a 10 mile hike through a sub freezing snow storm two winters ago. Nice to be able to just call AAA from inside your vehicle!

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gunthorp

All cell phones are 911 enabled, even those w/o a service plan. Keep that last year's model in the glove box, even if you can't make a normal call from it.

If BG no longer appears to be a threat to you or bystanders, order everyone back to cover and call 911 for an ambulance. Twelve of your peers may be trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and that would give them something to sink their teeth into.

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Rickstir

If you call 911, you are rendering aid. That would be the extent of it. I am not a doctor, and my emotions would be topsy turvey to say the least. If I get the authorities on the way, that is enough for me. If you remember the LA shoot out. They wounded the last perp then stood around a watched him die. Fine by me. No trial. They did get sued but it was thrown out of court. There was some comments about knowing if there was another threat so they were looking for that and staying under cover. Whatever, the results were good.

Free American

F'em if I had to shoot him he "needed shootin'" I'm not tending to his wounds and getting AIDS.

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