Shotgun Willie

Hey, thanks for the warning. The place I shoot at is up the canyon from where I live and has ample height. It used to be a gravel quarry but they dug it all up and now my backstop is all filled over with clay. I've got about a fourty or fifty foot wall where they dug into the mountain.

I don't want you thinking that I am a half wit with a gun. There are to many of those. Thanks again for the heads up. If I do try it I will be careful, scouts honor.

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ExSoldier

Shotgun, I KNOW you're NOT a halfwit! First of all, you're here and second of all you came looking to learn. Halfwits don't act like that.

The place where I shoot, the berm is only about 20-25 feet so we have to be real careful. And you know something? I find it's often the most experienced shooters that get kinda cocky and overconfident and forget about stuff like that. But experienced or not a shot over the berm will get you DQ'd off a range in IDPA real fast.

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tanksoldier

I've been trying to find the IDPA club around here, but their website seems to be defunct.

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ExSoldier

Try asking the main organization if there might be a new club in your area. You might think about organizing one yourself. Heck, you're a LEADER, think about it. Approach IDPA and they'll help and get you certified as both a Chief Range Officer and a Safety Officer which also teaches you about the nuts and bolts of procedurals and scoring. They can help equip you. Anyway, it's a thought. If you're on base, you might be able to get the army to help you set this up. Great training, especially for the squishies and crunchies. I'll bet that if they're convinced it's safe they'd let you open a range on a weekend and "GO HOT."

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OD

My apologies gentlemen, I wasn't very clear and was referring to the older taller antennae.

After rereading the posts, I can see now why Ex would think shooting the rc itself would problematic, I should have paid closer attention.

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Entry Red

My folks spend a lot of time on failure drills on the move. Heads shots are great if you make the shot. We work on hip girdle hits to immobilize the BG.

BlueLion

Any former military or Leo knows train 100% for all situations. Secondly, shoot, then move, he should not be in your face. Then if need be pull the knife. However, I highly doubt a citizen will be in a situation where it would get that personal, 2 com shots and he does not run or is surprised you are not sheep. I don't know....

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gunthorp

My Mozanbique is now slightly modified due to the increasing presence of body armour on the BG's. Since the slowest moving anatomical part in a bob and weave is the pelvis, I now use lower COM (pelvis area is usually beneath armor), Middle COM, and ,you guessed it, brain stem. The third shot ought to be easier after BG has lost mobility.

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uudl

I dont think there are too many people who can take 2 COM hits with a vest and not at least hesitate. If he does not go down with 2 COM hits, put one in the head or the pelvis area before he can recover. The head is not that hard a target at 7-10 yds. You can simulate this at any range that has targets that are moveable by cable or chains (Most indoor ranges). Have your buddy stand by the return switch while you practice double taps at COM at about 7-10 yards. When you dont expect it, have him hit the return switch after you double tap the target. Then while the target is moving toward you (and swayiing in the breeze) try for the head shot. If you are not expecting it, it can get the blood pounding. The first few times you try this, you will probably have powder burns on the target.

tanksoldier

That's what my training has been. If they're wearing obvious armor (military tactical stuff like IBAS) shoot for the pelvis. That translates, in a civilian situation, to transfering your POA to the pelvis if you suspect armor.

It would also work for a crack head... even if he doesn't feel the pain, he'll still have reduced mobility with shattered hip joints.

I've got an old PASGT fragmentation vest that I keep around for TSHTF scenarios, but after checking out the "Box O' Truth" website I might spring for a lightly used level II or II-A from bulletproofme.com... I wonder how effective wearing the level II under the PASGT would be? When I first got to Iraq this last time I wore a PASGT until they could get me an IBAS... so I wore my tanker spall vest under it, I figured any extra protection had to help. The spall vest is maybe equivelent to level I.

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