srfl

At my last agency qualification shoot, the instructor "modified" the FLETC course of fire by having us shoot two COM and one in the pelvic area three times.....that threw a couple of people off since we had always shot the third round in each of those strings of fire at the head....I'm glad we did something different for a change.

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soflasmg

That is why I carry a 1911 if I can't have a rifle with me.

I can shoot more accurately with this gun.

My training for handgun is aimed pair COM. Failure to stop, Cranio occular.

Pelvic girdle will not necessarily take a man out of the fight. Cranio occular will.

Rob72

True, but you have a larger target index, with your pelvic target. On someone wearing jeans, you'll see the crease from crotch to hip. The half-way-between-point will put you right over the femoral artery.... 4 rounds of .45 cal is pretty good odds on a traget of (average) .50" diameter.

Tangle

A head tied to the body by a short length of neck limits motion of the head far more than the motion of of a ballon tied to anything.

It is not likely that the BG's head will be bobbing, dodging, etc. but rather just keeping up with the body. And yep, it's a small target, but so is the pelvic area when his side is toward you and he's moving. We gotta have a little luck; I mean, in a gunfight how much can we really expect to go in our favor?

I just recently read of an account of a soldier going down with a shot to the pelvic area, and from the ground, he killed his attacker.

rfurtkamp

I'm not horrendously worried about the BG in armor. If it happens, I'll adapt quickly or die.

I mean, he might be Superman too - or made of metal or god knows what else.

Maybe he's a humanoid android from the year 3000. ;)

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P95Carry

Haha - if he was that far in future Robert - he'd have zapped us with a particle beam weapon before we knew squat!

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If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

Tangle

I can't help but think that BGs are going to use vests more and more.

KC135

From your post, it apears these situations remain static, or you believe the situation will be static.

I think you will find them to be dynamic events.

ie--you moving, opponent moving, hostage struggling, changing light conditions, low light, someone shooting in your direction, more than one bad guy, etc, etc, etc.

I would look for different solutions that might help in dynamic situations.

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LPguy

Head shot?

Why bother? Aim for something bigger and easier to hit. Try aiming for the waist! Think about it, a head can turn, roll and duck all on its own even when the body is moving. A body doesn't move unless the hips move. The feet and do a lil dance but he has to shift his weight to move and for that....ne needs his hips! Without them, he isn't going anywhere. With a little luck, he will be less one short arm. What a shame THAT would be....lol

Mike

ExSoldier

Ask Tanksoldier; or better yet I'll say the same thing he would being a former armor officer myself: What happens if you blow the treads off a tank? Answer: It stops. Is it incapacitated? Uh-uh. It has just become a 68 TON pillbox. Still fully capable of reaching out and killing thousands of meters away in a whispering moment.

Sure, you can take out the ganglia that handle motor control in the pelvic girdle area, and you might get some amusement watching the BG pull himself across the floor and bleed. Right up until he rolls onto his side and puts a bullet into your chest. He's down....but not out.

Whereas a shot into the forehead just turns out the lights instantly and for good.

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