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Old April 16th, 2008, 05:03 PM   #31
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I wish Rep. Boozman luck. I really hope this passes but of course I don't believe it will.
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Old April 16th, 2008, 09:10 PM   #32
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It'll make life easier going to Maryland. It won't be such a pain in the butt traveling thru there anymore

The other part of me see's the regulations going up by state too...
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Old April 16th, 2008, 10:48 PM   #33
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While I do not think the bill will pass but, I’ll have to say I disagree with you.


As others have said, we already have acceptance of other states licensing in place for marriage license, and drivers licensing, and I am sure there are more, I just can’t think of any at this moment.

And since its introduction LEOSA has proven that a system of allowing conceal carry nation wide has not caused any problems, in fact it has saved lives numerous times.
Not really at all. In fact marriage license may not even be accepted by the state that issued them in the case of the controversial same-sex marriages. Generally marriage licenses are accepted but that is an option of the state rather than any Federal intervention.

With drivers license it is not a Federal requirement I don't think but a cooperative agreement worked out by the Feds among the states. Having a license in one state does not gurantee that it will be recognized in all states. I first got my DL at age 14 but could not drive in NC due to their minimum age being 15. It still varies by state. I know plenty of people that have had their DL suspended and gone to another state to get one or in some cases have been banned from driving in certain states. There may be some but I can't think of any license/permit that has universal acceptance except those controlled by the Feds such as commercial drivers license.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 10:22 AM   #34
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Some of you guys are thinking way too hard on this. It's at least a step in the right direction. I have corresponded a time or two with Dr Boozeman and am glad that we have a rep who is pro gun. He is on our side.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 04:11 PM   #35
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While I would like to see such a bill pass, there have been many attempts at national reciprocity in the past and all have failed. Maybe sometime in the future legislators, both state and federal, will understand the logic in it. Until then it's just a dream, but I do write my representatives each time this comes up.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 06:45 PM   #36
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probability zero,

...but it's certainly a pleasant fantasy. Universal acceptance of permits would be great, and it would promote states' rights, as in all other states accept my CO state permit.

It wouldn't do anything for Vermont, except maybe encourage it to enact a law to issue VT permits for reciprocity as does Alaska.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 06:59 PM   #38
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If the Court defines "reasonable state regulation", states like CA, where it is very difficult to get a CCW might be forced to re-examine their position.

When hell freezes over you'll get a "must issue" CCW permit law in the PRC, even WITH a SCOTUS decision that the 2A gives us an individual right to K&B arms. Even then, they can kill any meaningful gun ownership with ammunition restrictions. They've got us by the nuts in this state and they are not about to let go.

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I do not see where the Federal Gov't would have anything to say about restrictions.

Welcome to the planet Earth!! Before the FDR administration NOBODY could see the HUGE growth of power in the federal government. Then along came the Warren court, and the rest is history. That extremely loud sucking sound you heard between 1932 and about 1980 was the power of the states being sucked into Washington D.C. Now the central government regulates just about anything it wants.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 11:17 PM   #39
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Obama's Nationwide Concealed Carry Law

As we all should know by now, he is in favor of a Nationwide ban on concealed carry. Let's hope him and Hillary pummel each other so John can walk right in to 1600 PA Avenue. I can dream, can't I? Oh, and one more thing: I'm just one of those PA guys clinging to his guns and religion.

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I don't know if any of you read Kim DuToit's blog, but he has a good summary of these issues in this post.

I was thinking about several people here commenting on how they don't want the Federal .gov involved in things like concealed carry standards. It seems to me the Constitutional argument is on our side here, though.

Article 4, Section 1 of the Constitution requires each State to give full faith and credit to the Acts, Records, and Proceedings of other States. Furthermore, it says that only Congress can specify standards of recognition. Therefore, if Congress gives no minimum standards, none exist. This is how driver's licenses work---there are no Congressional standards on driving tests, so all driver's licenses must be recognized by every other State.

Turn to concealed carry now. Article 1, Section 4 should require reciprocity because no Congressional standards exist that would allow, say, Massachusetts to deny recognition of Colorado's CCW licenses for failing to meet standards (e.g., lack of training requirement). Even if Congress passed licensing standards, they would only be relevant on Federal land and with respect to reciprocity. Each individual State (Alaska, New Hampshire, Colorado, wherever) could continue to run its own set of laws about how concealed carry works in that State, because the Feds can't tell them how to do things locally. (The most they can do is put prerequisites for receiving Federal funding.)

Yeah, I know that Congress can pass unconstituional laws and we then have to sit around waiting for the right Supreme Court to set things straight, but I think this closer reading of things is making my lean further in favor of national reciprocity (but not, of course, a Federal carry license, because ATF already has too darned much regulatory authority).
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