You just can't win with a liberal - Page 6

LiveLFF · May 14th, 2008, 04:44 PM

I swing more towards the Liberal/Democratic side of alot of political and "moral" issues.

But with gun control.. I guess I see a different story. The thing is, people who argue based purely off "emotion" as alot of you have stated in this thread, shouldnt be allowed to debate(instead of argue).

If they were on the debate team in highschool and they said "Thats how I feel", they'd of lost..

Anyway, with the experiences I have been through, and how my father raised me(hes conservative, I turned out liberal), but he certainly taught me the importance of guns..

I guess what I am getting at is don't lump all liberal or democratic thinking people into one group.

We all aren't naive.

Thumper · May 14th, 2008, 09:49 PM

For me, trying to convert a liberal is like trying to chew sand!

miklcolt45 · May 14th, 2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

For me, trying to convert a liberal is like trying to chew sand!

...or nailing jello to a wall.

SCfromNY · May 16th, 2008, 12:10 PM

Two comments on this thread.

The gun grabbers do not only track "accidental deaths" but all deaths caused by firearms which at first glance is more accurate. However when listing the number of "children" killed they include everyone who is not yet 21. When you factor out the gang related deaths the result is under 100 per year as opposed to the almost 2000 reported.

I used to attend health seminars for a related field. In 2003 (last year I have numbers for since I retired in 2004) there were 180,000 "MISTAKES" resulting in healthcare death. These do not count failed operations or natural say cancer progressions but actual doctor/nurse error.

Paco · May 16th, 2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by johnsr

a lib is being held up by a BG with a knife. Lib tells BG sure am glad you arent using a GUN. I hate those things.

Or they would then try to understand what in their past made this person "need" hold them up with a knife, as they are being stuck. I'm sorry, I'll try to understand their plight as they are dropping to the ground.

I like all the stats that have been given, unfortunately as it has been pointed out facts and stats don't matter. You may have better luck if you start crying and tell the lib that you feel better about yourself when you know you are protected against the criminals who have guns that are most likely illegal and unregistered.

Cofaler · May 17th, 2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JusticeDun

Liberals don't like to argue facts, just feelings.

Libs seem to have the ability to create their own reality as it suits them. They don't like to be confused with facts.

Slomo · May 19th, 2008, 04:35 AM

I am probably asking for trouble, but there has to be others like me, doesn't there?

I am a liberal. I carry, 100% of the time. I own a variety of weapons from tactical folders to 1911's to 12 ga pumps.

I train often (weekly) in unarmed and armed self defense.

I served in the military.

I hunt and fish and aggressively seek to limit corporate America's access to, and ability to damage our natural resources.

I am a long-time (15 years) union member and now (past 15 years) white-collar worker.

Don't assume that because I am a liberal that I won't defend my ( and your) right to bear arms and protect myself and family.

My point is only that you can't assume that all "liberals" are against you and your reasonable belief that you are consitutionally guaranteed the right to bear arms.

ElMonoDelMar · May 19th, 2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Slomo

I am probably asking for trouble, but there has to be others like me, doesn't there?

I am a liberal. I carry, 100% of the time. I own a variety of weapons from tactical folders to 1911's to 12 ga pumps.

I train often (weekly) in unarmed and armed self defense.

I served in the military.

I hunt and fish and aggressively seek to limit corporate America's access to, and ability to damage our natural resources.

I am a long-time (15 years) union member and now (past 15 years) white-collar worker.

Don't assume that because I am a liberal that I won't defend my ( and your) right to bear arms and protect myself and family.

My point is only that you can't assume that all "liberals" are against you and your reasonable belief that you are consitutionally guaranteed the right to bear arms.

I'm not as experienced in life as you are, but I am a gun-toting liberal.

Paco · May 19th, 2008, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slomo

I am probably asking for trouble, but there has to be others like me, doesn't there?

I am a liberal. I carry, 100% of the time. I own a variety of weapons from tactical folders to 1911's to 12 ga pumps.

I train often (weekly) in unarmed and armed self defense.

I served in the military.

I hunt and fish and aggressively seek to limit corporate America's access to, and ability to damage our natural resources.

I am a long-time (15 years) union member and now (past 15 years) white-collar worker.

Don't assume that because I am a liberal that I won't defend my ( and your) right to bear arms and protect myself and family.

My point is only that you can't assume that all "liberals" are against you and your reasonable belief that you are consitutionally guaranteed the right to bear arms.

I would have to think that you and ElMonoDelMar are exceptions to the rule, at least in my experience. I also don't tend to carry lengthy discussions with many libs as they tend to start name calling and fighting with emotion when presented with the facts. Maybe I only meet the libs who are true morons and there are some actual "normal" libs out there. I mean there is at least 1 in Congress (Lieberman), maybe there are more but they just don't make the news or are drowned out by the ones that have been described in this forum.

Ron · May 19th, 2008, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slomo

I am probably asking for trouble, but there has to be others like me, doesn't there?

I am a liberal. I carry, 100% of the time. I own a variety of weapons from tactical folders to 1911's to 12 ga pumps.

I train often (weekly) in unarmed and armed self defense.

I served in the military.

I hunt and fish and aggressively seek to limit corporate America's access to, and ability to damage our natural resources.

I am a long-time (15 years) union member and now (past 15 years) white-collar worker.

Don't assume that because I am a liberal that I won't defend my ( and your) right to bear arms and protect myself and family.

My point is only that you can't assume that all "liberals" are against you and your reasonable belief that you are consitutionally guaranteed the right to bear arms.

You make an interesting point. I have always believed that one needs to define our terms when we engage in a debate to be sure we are discussing the same thing. Perhaps, what we need to do here is to define what we think we mean by the term "liberal." We might be somewhat surprised to discover that we don't all have the same definition.

May 14th, 2008, 04:44 PM	#51
LiveLFF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 183	Liberals I swing more towards the Liberal/Democratic side of alot of political and "moral" issues. But with gun control.. I guess I see a different story. The thing is, people who argue based purely off "emotion" as alot of you have stated in this thread, shouldnt be allowed to debate(instead of argue). If they were on the debate team in highschool and they said "Thats how I feel", they'd of lost.. Anyway, with the experiences I have been through, and how my father raised me(hes conservative, I turned out liberal), but he certainly taught me the importance of guns.. I guess what I am getting at is don't lump all liberal or democratic thinking people into one group. We all aren't naive.

May 14th, 2008, 09:49 PM	#52
Thumper VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sparks, Nevada Posts: 3,646	For me, trying to convert a liberal is like trying to chew sand! __________________ ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!

May 16th, 2008, 12:10 PM	#54
SCfromNY Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 109	Two comments on this thread. The gun grabbers do not only track "accidental deaths" but all deaths caused by firearms which at first glance is more accurate. However when listing the number of "children" killed they include everyone who is not yet 21. When you factor out the gang related deaths the result is under 100 per year as opposed to the almost 2000 reported. I used to attend health seminars for a related field. In 2003 (last year I have numbers for since I retired in 2004) there were 180,000 "MISTAKES" resulting in healthcare death. These do not count failed operations or natural say cancer progressions but actual doctor/nurse error. __________________ If Someone Opens the Door to Violence Do Not Be Surprised How Much Walks In.

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May 19th, 2008, 04:35 AM	#57
Slomo Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Washington Posts: 17	I am probably asking for trouble, but there has to be others like me, doesn't there? I am a liberal. I carry, 100% of the time. I own a variety of weapons from tactical folders to 1911's to 12 ga pumps. I train often (weekly) in unarmed and armed self defense. I served in the military. I hunt and fish and aggressively seek to limit corporate America's access to, and ability to damage our natural resources. I am a long-time (15 years) union member and now (past 15 years) white-collar worker. Don't assume that because I am a liberal that I won't defend my ( and your) right to bear arms and protect myself and family. My point is only that you can't assume that all "liberals" are against you and your reasonable belief that you are consitutionally guaranteed the right to bear arms.