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Old May 10th, 2008, 07:58 AM   #11
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I'm having the same problem...I'm looking for some good cargo pants to carry in that big pocket rather than the front pockets. I'm thinking I want it zipped.
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Old May 10th, 2008, 08:59 AM   #12
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Pocket carry is, at best, tough in jeans. I pocket carry frequently and have found almost any brand of cargo type pants or shorts have wider and deeper pockets, and make pocket carry much more comfortable.
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Old May 10th, 2008, 09:11 AM   #13
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... to carry in that big pocket rather than the front pockets. I'm thinking I want it zipped.
Are you certain you can get to it quickly and safely enough, if SHTF? Think it through. If zipped and "down there," then I think you'll find it simply too darned difficult to bring your weapon to bear on a moment's notice. IMO, ankle carry's one big drawback is speed of access, until you master the technique (which I never seemed to get right). Having it zipped and flopping in a big, baggy pocket somewhere "over there" seems far worse, to me.

I've tried a number of positions, including fanny pack, fanny pack (bad) with quick-unzip ability for firearms (far better), OWB, IWB (better still) and pocket carry (somewhat worse). Ankle carry wasn't for me, plus having a damaged hip/leg takes off the table anyway. By far, having the gun positioned in a standard, secure spot for every draw helps ensure it'll be there when needed. Pocket carry stretches that a bit, 'cause you need to get into the pocket quickly, but with practice isn't all that much slower than IWB/OWB.

So. It's IWB for primary, OWB when the option makes sense, and pocket for the backup.
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Old May 10th, 2008, 09:15 AM   #14
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+1 on Cabela's 7-pocket. They have stacked front pockets and come in shorts as well.
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Old May 10th, 2008, 09:15 AM   #15
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+1 for Wrangler jeans. Also, Wrangler cargo pants from Wal-Mart work great.
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Old May 10th, 2008, 10:48 AM   #16
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Are you certain you can get to it quickly and safely enough, if SHTF? Think it through. If zipped and "down there," then I think you'll find it simply too darned difficult to bring your weapon to bear on a moment's notice. IMO, ankle carry's one big drawback is speed of access, until you master the technique (which I never seemed to get right). Having it zipped and flopping in a big, baggy pocket somewhere "over there" seems far worse, to me.
Yes, every carry option has advantages and disadvantages. Not every option is good for "SHTF" as you put it, or what one instructor I had referred to as "fast action access." As a general rule, the deeper the concealment, the slower or more complicated the access.

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So. It's IWB for primary, OWB when the option makes sense, and pocket for the backup.
I find this interesting. If you NEED to get to your backup gun, there is a very good chance that your situation is worse off then when the conflict started and you are having to transition after either expending all your primary gun ammo, losing your primary gun, etc. In other words, you are in deep doodoo and your primary gun didn't get the job done and the threat remains. It would make sense that you would want even quicker access to the BUG than to the primary.
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Duluth Trading has a number of options. They are made specifically for construction so they are very durable and have many pockets. What I like is that they also look very nice and last for years. My favorites are the fire hose pants made out of the fabric used to cover fire hoses.
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I have a pair of Columbia brand with a zipper pocket under the right slash pocket. SP101 in pocket holster slips in. Zip it up. No show, except the bulge.
+1 !!! I have 2 pairs just like them and I think it's one of the best solutions I've found for pocket carrying my J-frame.

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The gun doesn't flop around in these, as it does in some of my other cargo style shorts, and the butt of the gun is completely out of sight. I'll admit the zipper has to be dealt with, but it has a cord on it and is very easy to operate.

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It would make sense that you would want even quicker access to the BUG than to the primary.
How so? I don't see how the BUG would need better access than the primary, yet.

Whatever else is true, the primary is ... well, primary. It's first out, in a fight. It's in the most-accessible, quickest spot (IWB or OWB).

The backup, at least to my way of thinking, is secondary, to be used only if the primary is lost or fails, or if that arm/hand is taken out of the fight. It's carried in the only other spot available to me that doesn't strangle my waist with two IWB guns and avoids ankle carry (which isn't my thing).

Basic options: primary and backup both IWB/OWB, which doesn't work for me; primary IWB and backup ankle, but ankle doesn't work for me; primary IWB and backup pocket; or primary pocket (which won't fit) and backup IWB. That leaves one option, really, which is primary carried IWB and backup carried pocket.

Yes, comparative speed of access for pocket carry is somewhat slower than IWB. But IWB needs to clear the cover garment prior to draw. Pocket carry needs to "clear" the pocket opening prior to draw. In my basic testing between modes of carry, however, pocket carry of the backup hasn't proven to be 2-3x the draw time of the primary. Turns out it's only marginally slower.

Hence, that method works for me. I'm all for a better method, if I can prove via motions/timing/comfort the benefits over primary IWB and backup pocket.
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I guess I lucked out. The pockets of all of my cargo shorts are big enough to comfortably carry my m&p 340, so it looks like this is going to be my casual carry setup. I don't like the feeling of my front pockets being filled up and bulky so I can't imagine carrying any gun in my jeans or khaki pockets.
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