Hopyard

Wow, Lima-- ANOTHER really really great post. Got me thinking :)
I have never carried anything on the weak side, and there is no way to get a pocket pistol out from the strong side pocket if the strong hand is "engaged."

Great post.

QKShooter

lima - It's a very good thing that you're running through various scenarios with JD.

You should try to carry an easily accessible support side knife with the longest legal blade length allowed in your state.

Sounds gruesome but, you need to be able to get as deep "in there" as possible and do lots of fast damage to critical internal things.

If you happened to switch places in the exact Carlie Brucia abduction I think you could have ended it fairly quickly since he was wide open and his thoughts were obviously completely occupied in scoping out the location to make certain he was not being seen.

You could easily have pretty much shredded the guy internally with a support side knife thrust upward under the ribs and quickly rocking the blade side to side (using the entrance wound as the pivot point) then pulling hard toward you as you rip the blade out while pulling yourself away.

That would have changed his mind in a huge hurry and he would bleed out of his pumper fast.

If by some remote chance he was still holding on while you're pulling away then quickly hit him again under his left armpit and he'll have no choice but, to release his grip.

Notice though what his right hand is doing while is in the process of grabbing Carlie?
His right hand is simultaniously going into his pocket for something unknown.

Is he just getting Nylon wire ties ready in order to bind her or possibly a gag?
Or has he just armed himself with something?

Regardless...he is still totally oblivious to her actions as he is leading her away.

For some unknown reason he believes that she'll be completely submissive and he was not expecting her to react or act defensively at all.
All of his attention is off of her and his main focus the entire time that he is leading her away is on making sure that nobody else is in the vicinity and getting her to his vehicle (?) off camera.

That is why I am saying that he is Wide Open to a violent instant agressive attack.

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InspectorGadget

Folder clipped in my Left front Pocket, Small Pepper in left front pocket, 2 Mags in Mag Wallet left back. 1911 3in either IWB Right Back or In Right Front pocket (Depending on clothing)

The pepper may not stop you cold but will buy more than enough time for Mr Colt to come to my assistance.

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Hopyard

Great, but at exactly what point would lethal force (use of the knife) be justified?

I can imagine situations where someone might suddenly grab you by the arm because they recognize a long lost friend; or need to pull you out of harms way--an oncoming vehicle.

The violet quick response (love it really) though might not be lawful.

At what point is thrusting it in and giving it a twist justified.

(Assume the guy has no weapon and has only said---fill in your own dialog for discussion purposes.)

InspectorGadget

Disparity of force, He is about my size so probably wouldn't happen in first place. But She is a smaller girl, the desparity of force, as soon as he grabs her it is at least unlawful imprisonment so under Florida Law she would be Justified lethal force as soon as a stranger grabs her, if she is "in fear of her life." Florida Law is on the side of the smaller female victim because of some of the monsters that have hurt children here.

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grady

This makes so much common sense that I just ordered a large TDI. I have a small TDI on me now, and it's great, but in a life-and-death situation, I want every advantage I can get. I had been planning on ordering a large one SOMEDAY (I'm a terrible procrastinator), but the above quote, and this thread, really highlighted the issue for me.

Thanks for specifically pointing out what should have been obvious to me in the first place.

retsupt99

Another convinced member here, and like Grady above me...I just ordered the KABAR TDI Knife Part Serrated Coyote Brown KA-147CB with belt clip sheath...for $32.97.

Great tip...makes sense...

Stay armed...be on the cutting edge...stay safe!

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JudoJake

Their are two main factors here, one is appropriate use of force and the other is what you are really prepared to do, morally and ethically in a given situation. This can only be known through education, force on force training, or exposure to real life situations.

My opinion, and I know this will raise a few eyebrows, because we all including me would like to stab somebody. Admit it. But would we be willing to do it. The more aggressive your action, the more justification you are going to have to do, to yourself and the Civil and Criminal Legal system. So the opposite is also true. The less you do to them, the less you will face from the Civil and Criminal Justice System.

I am not saying that you should, under respond to these incident. I am just saying that if you for instance, have pepper spray instead of a knife, you will use the spray way before you will use the knife. Because you know that there are no lasting affects. So even if you misjudged the situation(say the guy was an under cover cop and thought you were a suspect he was looking for) the guy is not laying their in a pool of blood, shot or stabbed.

Example, say you were good at martial arts and you could easily break the suspects grip on you, using an empty hand technique without hurting him. If he grabbed you, you would do this instantly, because you know you are justified, even before he opens his mouth.

If you were going to poke his eye out, you would have to believe that you were in serious danger, which you might not figure out until he says, "Come with me and you I will not kill you." You could have already broken his grip before he said anything if you knew how. Now say that after he says that he wants you go with him. You think, is this guy for real? You are not going to shoot him if you are not sure. But you might not have a problem using the spray. See what I am saying?

eww

I keep a Benchmade clipped in my left pocket. I moved the easy open button (for lack of a better word) to the other side of the blade so I can open it left handed.

buckeyeLCPL

Well, in my combat gear, I keep a TDI in a spot for my left hand, don't use the knife for anything else really. Just in a spot where most people won't see it and it is at a natural angle to grab.

In civvies I'm not as prepared, and would have to just rely on a left hook or some such thing. Maybe naive on my part, but I'm a trained infantryman, and by no means small, so I'll probably stick with that.

I'm used to carrying a full combat load of over +50#'s around all day, but when I'm off work I don't like feeling that weighed down.

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