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Old May 16th, 2008, 12:04 AM   #21
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Lima, great post.

I definately agree that you should have some sort of weapon accessible to both hands.

I always carry something on my weak-side. If I have to have my shirt tucked in, etc. then it ends up being a gun on my strong side and a folder on each side. For EDC when I can dress how I choose, I carry a push-dagger on my left side and a folder or FB on my right in addition to my pistol.

I think that push-daggers and knives like the TDI excell in this role as they are very intuitive and "gross motor" to use. As most of us do not have as much dexterity with our weak hand, it is nice to have a tool that does not require a lot of skill. With either the PD or the TDI, merely grab the knife and start punching or ripping.

As I've said (time and time again) in other threads, the need for effective H2H skills can not be understated. However that doesn't mean you shouldn't have options available in the weapons department...you need a layered defense strategy.

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Great, but at exactly what point would lethal force (use of the knife) be justified?

I can imagine situations where someone might suddenly grab you by the arm because they recognize a long lost friend; or need to pull you out of harms way--an oncoming vehicle.

The violet quick response (love it really) though might not be lawful.

At what point is thrusting it in and giving it a twist justified.

(Assume the guy has no weapon and has only said---fill in your own dialog for discussion purposes.)
No one said you should automatically shank anyone who touches you, let's use a little common sense here.

In the type of situation that started the thread, I see no problem with application of deadly force. You have a woman grabbed by a man who she doesn't know and who is significantly larger and stronger. If he does not immediately comply with an order to "back the **** off," then it's time to show him what his guts look like. Then, once he does let go, draw your pistol and be ready to use it if necessary as you are getting the hell out of there.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 12:12 AM   #22
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There are a TON of martial arts techniques for breaking someone's grip on you. I'm no expert by any means, but I haven't met anyone whose grip I can't break. At the end of the day, most people don't seem to have the pain tolerance to deal with a hard rap of knuckles to the back of the hand. It's surprisingly painful; even just a hard rubbing of knuckles on the back of the hand will hurt a surprising amount.

Worth learning a few techniques; not as a replacement for weapons but as a compliment.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 12:35 AM   #23
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The OP is why I carry more than one gun.

I have a gun accessable to either hand, and one accessable to me when sitting down. I've been carrying two guns for years, but have recently gone to carrying three.

Stay safe and watch your back.

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Old May 16th, 2008, 12:59 AM   #24
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Weakside defensive weapon is either Colt Mustang or Charter Arms Bulldog in left front pocket. I have been thinking about a knife option for that side, but it would have to be the right knife. My left wrist has been damaged several times as has the left hand. The Mustang or the Bulldog are easy enough to use, but the knife requires more finesse than they do so it would have to be one I was very comfortable with.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 01:00 AM   #25
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Good topic! This is my usual attire. I have my main carry M&P on my right side along with a CS Recon 1 clipped to pocket. On my left I have in my pocket a Walther PPS. Weak rear pocket and left cargo are a Kershaw Blur and CRKT M16-14SFA. And a Ka-Bar TDI on the belt opposite the M&P, available to either hand. I am getting a custom sheath for the TDI soon. This is not including extra mags (at least two) and flashlights (also at least two). Yeah, about 12 pounds of stuff. But, I can so I do.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 02:30 AM   #26
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JudoJake........Where did that come from?
Admit it...We would all like to stab someone????
The remainder of your post is pretty decent but, I think you had just better speak for yourself on that one.


My opinion, and I know this will raise a few eyebrows, because we all including me would like to stab somebody. Admit it.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 02:56 AM   #27
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That particular hold is easily defeated in two ways (at least).
1~ ‘Hollow out’ strong side; take a medium to large step at a 45 degree angle outward to the rear, while Keeping your balance. At the same time, pulling arm into your body as best you can. Pulling the attacker off balance just a bit, go for an eye gouge aiming for the bridge of the nose. Your thumb will side into one of the eyes, worse case you will miss and break your thumb. If that happens or not follow up with a upward palm strike to the base of the chin.

2~ Again ‘hollow out’ as above, rotate your fist to the center of the body through and downward the attackers arm (thumb side) this will break the grip and your strong side is free to defend yourself as fit.

I hope that made sense, I’m not great describing things in print. I’m more of a “grab my arm” kinda guy.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 04:06 AM   #28
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...I've been carrying two guns for years, but have recently gone to carrying three.
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Finally, I'm not the only one here who carries 3 guns on this forum. Not all the time, but frequently.

Got a lot of ridicule on other threads for admitting that. Not that it bothered me... Sometimes I only carry one!
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Old May 16th, 2008, 06:36 AM   #29
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When possible (i.e. not working in restricted areas etc.) I've got my Kel-Tec, Spyderco Endura, and Surefire E2DL all accessible to my offhand. My strong side has the XD and Benchmade. I've found it's much easier to open a waved knife with my weak hand than it is to reliably flick open the axis lock. I may try to find a centerline carry option for the P3AT if I can ever get rid of this gut... as it is now, my body type dictates what I carry, as well as how and where it gets carried.
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My primary carry knife is carry concealed (again, gotta love the FL permit) in my left front pocket (I'm right-handed). Any blade I would carry for self defense can be open one-handed, at various speeds.

1) CRKT - Opens like the Emerson Wave action, with the hilt catching on the pocket, opening the blade, resulting in reverse (pakal) grip.
2) Balisong - Duh. The grip I obtains depends on what method of opening I end up using.
3) Kerambit - Another Emerson Wave action type opening. Actually, a ripoff of the Emerson kerambit.

FMA generally trains to use a blade in the 'live' hand (non-dominant), so I won't fumble with using a blade in my left hand.

One thing I've seen taught to kids that I think works to a fair degree is that when someone tries to grab them, the kid is to windmill his or her arms like crazy, while screaming something appropriate. This is supposed to prevent a grab to the arms, and could deter (not prevent!) a grab about the waist or shoulders. Also, if a tentative grip is acquired, the wide arcs of the swing could help break the grip.

Problem is, it could be hard to do that while RUNNING, which is something else the kid should be doing.

I've started training my 8-yr old in FMA. Situational awareness training is going to be a big part of that.

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