4 days at FrontSight Nevada - Page 2

GlocKen · May 21st, 2008, 05:08 PM

Thanks for the nice write-up.

My wife and I are heading out for the 4-day Defensive Handgun course next month. I can't wait.

My friend has a membership and sold me and my wife on the place. Glad to hear its all its reported to be.

Now I'm a bit concerned that I plan to take my Glock 19. I chose it for ammo price reasons. (800 rounds x 2 people gets expensive quick)

I have a Glock 30 as well that I was planning to take as a backup. What are your thoughts?

jarhead45 · May 21st, 2008, 05:17 PM

You will not be disappointed in your Glock. Alot out there , just that added step in tripping the trigger in the drills, gotta remember that. When you shoot in the 2 man shoot off take the heaviest bullet you can. my 9mm was ding, ding then maybe the 3rd would flip that target steel over. Its that 1st shot to the kidnappers head that is tough. That plate just dosent want to budge with a 9. Tho's .45's though just blasted that plate over. I took my XD45 as a backup but never used it as I just got it back from Precision Engineering with a trigger job, Meprolight sights and smoothing the trigger face. Next time I go it will be with a custom built 1911 I am putting together.

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Now I'm a bit concerned that I plan to take my Glock 19. I chose it for ammo price reasons. (800 rounds x 2 people gets expensive quick)

I have a Glock 30 as well that I was planning to take as a backup. What are your thoughts

goawayfarm · May 21st, 2008, 05:44 PM

I took my wife there a couple of years ago & we both learned a lot.

This was her first exposure to a professional training program & as a newbie she really enjoyed it. For me if was a good refresher & I got to see some of the differences from other programs I'd already been to.

We took 3 Glock 23s. That way if one of us had a weapon malfunction, we'd have at least one spare. (needless to say, we didn't need the third one...

)

Even given their negative publicity, they offer a good product. (we used a couple of their certificates that I got online for $50 each). Their facility is pretty good...although I wouldn't go there after mid May thru October....way to hot

...(we went at the beginning of May & it was just barely tolerable.)

T Bone · May 21st, 2008, 06:52 PM

Nice write up, thanks for taking the time to share the course with us.

I understand it's a weekend only facility, correct? (So the 4 day course covers two weekends?).

What type of holster would you recommend? I normally carry a 1911 in an IWB Milt Sparks VM-2, but would think for the course I'd want something OWB (have a Galco Training Holster like they used to sell at Gunsite, and I have a Milt Sparks Axiom coming). Which way would you go?

How many spare mags should I have belt carriers for?

Was thinking of taking my Glock 19 as a back up too, but maybe I'd be better off with another full sized 1911? (Have several, the CQB is primary).

You mentioned a BUG, do you need to have something as a spare (as in a mouse gun in the pocket or something)?

Planning to go there myself in Feb/March '09. Was going to get one of the certificates on eBay for around $80 I think, but I'll PM you and hear what you've got to say on that.

Shotdown · May 21st, 2008, 07:08 PM

I took my G23 out there with me and I was knocking those steel plates like nothing. However, some of the folks with 9mm had to double tap them at times to get it moving. FS is great in my book. I came out with lots of knowledge in just 4-days. I have another certificate that I will be using before Sep. The good about it was I only paid the $50 background fee and the classes are free

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jarhead45 · May 21st, 2008, 07:15 PM

I understand it's a weekend only facility, correct? (So the 4 day course covers two weekends?).

NO!! It is friday through Monday. 4 consecutive days

What type of holster would you recommend? I normally carry a 1911 in an IWB Milt Sparks VM-2, but wold think for the course I'd want something OWB (have a Galco Training Holster like they used to sell at Gunsite, and I have a Milt Sparks Axiom coming). Which way would you go?

They prefer a straight drop holster in Kydex. And you will to. No one likes getting raked with the muzzle of your weapon, especially the instructors. I just got a cheapie $14 uncle mikes for the class. I hate plastic holsters but for the class it was GREAT.

How many spare mags should I have belt carriers for?

I took 4 mags. IT WAS NOT ENOUGH, especially for the drills. I had to keep close tabs on which mags had how much left in them, it was a pain. Bring 6 !!!!

Was thinking of taking my Glock 19 as a back up too, but maybe I'd be better off with another full sized 1911? (Have several, the CQB is primary).

Bring 2 .45's you wont be sorry. And bringing an additional 800 rounds for your backup could be expensive. The course takes 800 rounds minimum.

You mentioned a BUG, do you need to have something as a spare (as in a mouse gun in the pocket or something)?

NOPE.. left my 642 in the truck, put it in my pocket when I drove away.

Planning to go there myself in Feb/March '09. Was going to get one of the certificates on eBay for around $80 I think, but I'll PM you and hear what you've got to say on that.[/quote]

Shotdown · May 21st, 2008, 07:17 PM

Maybe I can help out with some of these questions.

Nice write up, thanks for taking the time to share the course with us.

I understand it's a weekend only facility, correct? (So the 4 day course covers two weekends?).

-The 4-day class runs from Fri-Mon. The FS website should have a full schedule listed for 2008.

What type of holster would you recommend? I normally carry a 1911 in an IWB Milt Sparks VM-2, but wold think for the course I'd want something OWB (have a Galco Training Holster like they used to sell at Gunsite, and I have a Milt Sparks Axiom coming). Which way would you go?

-I carried a Blade-Tech OWB but I've seen people with IWB. I'd say use what's comfortable for you since you will spend at least 12 hrs with it.

How many spare mags should I have belt carriers for?

-I took three total but when I was coaching, I had to reload them. Take no less than three.

Was thinking of taking my Glock 19 as a back up too, but maybe I'd be better off with another full sized 1911? (Have several, the CQB is primary).

-Seen both. Take the ones you want to get more proficient with or your primary carry.

You mentioned a BUG, do you need to have something as a spare (as in a mouse gun in the pocket or something)?

-I kept my backup gun in the vehicle in case something happened to my G23. Of course, you will need all the accesories for that gun unless your equipment is interchangeable.

Shotdown · May 21st, 2008, 07:21 PM

OOPS!! You beat me to his questions.

Jarhead,
Good post thanks. I was frustrated on day 4 since I was tired and my hands were hurting and I wasn't shooting well. I managed to graduate (barely) but I really need to go back and work on certain skills.

adaman04 · May 21st, 2008, 08:34 PM

I may have to hit that some day. You can get certificates on the cheap on a regular basis.

Here is my query: Why do they say they have all these facilites when they don't? Why don't they advertise themselves as a place to learn defensive skills and that's it? Fake airstrips, bringing your own food...what gives?

AZ Husker · May 21st, 2008, 08:45 PM

Once you join, then recruit five more shooters, and each of them recruits five more....

May 21st, 2008, 05:08 PM	#11
GlocKen New Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 5	I'm going in June Thanks for the nice write-up. My wife and I are heading out for the 4-day Defensive Handgun course next month. I can't wait. My friend has a membership and sold me and my wife on the place. Glad to hear its all its reported to be. Now I'm a bit concerned that I plan to take my Glock 19. I chose it for ammo price reasons. (800 rounds x 2 people gets expensive quick) I have a Glock 30 as well that I was planning to take as a backup. What are your thoughts?

May 21st, 2008, 05:44 PM	#13
goawayfarm Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fork Union, Virginia Posts: 1,892	I took my wife there a couple of years ago & we both learned a lot. This was her first exposure to a professional training program & as a newbie she really enjoyed it. For me if was a good refresher & I got to see some of the differences from other programs I'd already been to. We took 3 Glock 23s. That way if one of us had a weapon malfunction, we'd have at least one spare. (needless to say, we didn't need the third one...) Even given their negative publicity, they offer a good product. (we used a couple of their certificates that I got online for $50 each). Their facility is pretty good...although I wouldn't go there after mid May thru October....way to hot...(we went at the beginning of May & it was just barely tolerable.) __________________ Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. "If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. If I have a gun, what do I have to be paranoid about?" -Clint Smith "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Jeff Cooper

May 21st, 2008, 06:52 PM	#14
T Bone Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Metropolitan Detroit Posts: 469	Nice write up, thanks for taking the time to share the course with us. I understand it's a weekend only facility, correct? (So the 4 day course covers two weekends?). What type of holster would you recommend? I normally carry a 1911 in an IWB Milt Sparks VM-2, but would think for the course I'd want something OWB (have a Galco Training Holster like they used to sell at Gunsite, and I have a Milt Sparks Axiom coming). Which way would you go? How many spare mags should I have belt carriers for? Was thinking of taking my Glock 19 as a back up too, but maybe I'd be better off with another full sized 1911? (Have several, the CQB is primary). You mentioned a BUG, do you need to have something as a spare (as in a mouse gun in the pocket or something)? Planning to go there myself in Feb/March '09. Was going to get one of the certificates on eBay for around $80 I think, but I'll PM you and hear what you've got to say on that. __________________ Regards, T Bone. "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety". Benjamin Franklin

May 21st, 2008, 07:15 PM	#16
jarhead45 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 180	I understand it's a weekend only facility, correct? (So the 4 day course covers two weekends?). NO!! It is friday through Monday. 4 consecutive days What type of holster would you recommend? I normally carry a 1911 in an IWB Milt Sparks VM-2, but wold think for the course I'd want something OWB (have a Galco Training Holster like they used to sell at Gunsite, and I have a Milt Sparks Axiom coming). Which way would you go? They prefer a straight drop holster in Kydex. And you will to. No one likes getting raked with the muzzle of your weapon, especially the instructors. I just got a cheapie $14 uncle mikes for the class. I hate plastic holsters but for the class it was GREAT. How many spare mags should I have belt carriers for? I took 4 mags. IT WAS NOT ENOUGH, especially for the drills. I had to keep close tabs on which mags had how much left in them, it was a pain. Bring 6 !!!! Was thinking of taking my Glock 19 as a back up too, but maybe I'd be better off with another full sized 1911? (Have several, the CQB is primary). Bring 2 .45's you wont be sorry. And bringing an additional 800 rounds for your backup could be expensive. The course takes 800 rounds minimum. You mentioned a BUG, do you need to have something as a spare (as in a mouse gun in the pocket or something)? NOPE.. left my 642 in the truck, put it in my pocket when I drove away. Planning to go there myself in Feb/March '09. Was going to get one of the certificates on eBay for around $80 I think, but I'll PM you and hear what you've got to say on that.[/quote] __________________ Honor, Courage, Virtue. These are what makes a man. "The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps." Eleanor Roosevelt, 1945

May 21st, 2008, 08:45 PM	#20
AZ Husker Distinguished Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,981	Once you join, then recruit five more shooters, and each of them recruits five more.... __________________ Treat me good, I'll treat you better. Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse.

May 21st, 2008, 07:08 PM	#15
Shotdown Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 107	I took my G23 out there with me and I was knocking those steel plates like nothing. However, some of the folks with 9mm had to double tap them at times to get it moving. FS is great in my book. I came out with lots of knowledge in just 4-days. I have another certificate that I will be using before Sep. The good about it was I only paid the $50 background fee and the classes are free .

May 21st, 2008, 07:17 PM	#17
Shotdown Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 107	Maybe I can help out with some of these questions. Nice write up, thanks for taking the time to share the course with us. I understand it's a weekend only facility, correct? (So the 4 day course covers two weekends?). -The 4-day class runs from Fri-Mon. The FS website should have a full schedule listed for 2008. What type of holster would you recommend? I normally carry a 1911 in an IWB Milt Sparks VM-2, but wold think for the course I'd want something OWB (have a Galco Training Holster like they used to sell at Gunsite, and I have a Milt Sparks Axiom coming). Which way would you go? -I carried a Blade-Tech OWB but I've seen people with IWB. I'd say use what's comfortable for you since you will spend at least 12 hrs with it. How many spare mags should I have belt carriers for? -I took three total but when I was coaching, I had to reload them. Take no less than three. Was thinking of taking my Glock 19 as a back up too, but maybe I'd be better off with another full sized 1911? (Have several, the CQB is primary). -Seen both. Take the ones you want to get more proficient with or your primary carry. You mentioned a BUG, do you need to have something as a spare (as in a mouse gun in the pocket or something)? -I kept my backup gun in the vehicle in case something happened to my G23. Of course, you will need all the accesories for that gun unless your equipment is interchangeable.

May 21st, 2008, 07:21 PM	#18
Shotdown Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 107	OOPS!! You beat me to his questions. Jarhead, Good post thanks. I was frustrated on day 4 since I was tired and my hands were hurting and I wasn't shooting well. I managed to graduate (barely) but I really need to go back and work on certain skills.

May 21st, 2008, 08:34 PM	#19
adaman04 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Show Me State Posts: 256	I may have to hit that some day. You can get certificates on the cheap on a regular basis. Here is my query: Why do they say they have all these facilites when they don't? Why don't they advertise themselves as a place to learn defensive skills and that's it? Fake airstrips, bringing your own food...what gives?

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