4 days at FrontSight Nevada - Page 5

clarence2005w · May 22nd, 2008, 08:37 PM

My son and I did this course in feb. 07. If you don't want to sweat that time of year is a good time to beat the heat. The marine is right you don't get a lot of sleep. This is a great place to hone your skills. Certificates are available on e-bay for this four day course for $99.00 dollars. We will go back and do it again.

Blademan21 · May 23rd, 2008, 12:00 AM

Four of us took the 2 day course about 2yrs ago. Can't recall the name of the hotel but it was recommended by FS. The hotel even made box lunches to go that were picked up in the morning.Dang I wish I could recall the name of the hotel. I shot my Glock 36 and had no problems with FTF or FTE. The more mags you take the better.

Bashful · May 23rd, 2008, 12:48 AM

I have to echo what Jarhead45 has said. I did the 4 day defensive handgun course the 1st weekend in May.

There has been a lot of talk about the sales hype... While on site, there was an OPTIONAL presentation on the First Family program. I felt no pressure to 'drink the kool-aid'. I did watch it... because it was in the only air-conditioned room on site.

I brought home a bucket full of new skills to practice, and feel more confident in weapons handling than I've ever felt before. It was amazing to watch how everyone (including ME) improved over the 4 day period. There were enough instructors so that if someone was a bit slow, they got one-on-one instruction to keep the class on pace and on schedule.

Most every major platform was represented in the class. A lot of folks had Glocks... several had 1911's, Beretta's, XD's, Sigs, and S&W. There was one Kahr P9 and a Walther PPK. I shot my M&P 9c and it was flawless.

After 4 days, I was able to

Place a controlled pair (NOT double tap) COM at 15 meters from concealed draw in 1.5 seconds? You Bet!

Move off the "X" QUICKLY to prevent becoming a bullet magnet? Yep!

Quickly recognize and clear malfunctions while moving off the "X"? Absolutely!

Gain additional awareness in Condition Yellow so that I might not ever get into the position where I HAVE to draw? Yes!

The staff treated me like I was the only reason they were there. It's DEFINITELY NOT a boot camp. These folks are fierce proponents of 2A, and it has to have an impact on everyone who goes there.

It certainly was work... not a leisure course. I was tired after 4 long days of shooting... but I enjoyed it and I learned a lot from it. A 4 day class doesn't make you an expert, but it does send you home with a clearer understanding of defensive handgun tactics along with new or improved skill set.

I'm NOT a member, but I will be going again!

paramedic70002 · May 23rd, 2008, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jarhead45

Ya Paramedic ... everything you noted I also believed. Till I learned. You go ahead and shoot fast, keep squeezing till they drop. Heck shoot like a LEO with LEO training, I know I did, I was an instructor. I learned a different and in my humble opinion a better way of surviving a gunfight. Bottom line kill him first and kill him fast, because he WILL BE TRYING TO KILL YOU. But try it your way, tell me how that works out. Not defending myself, or my review, but knowing what I know now I think I was training officers in outdated and less than "the absolute best" technique's for surviving a gunfight. But that was old FBI standards. I have no idea what they are doing now. Just wish I knew then what I am aware of now. 15 - 20 year old training was not doing it for me this month. As for 9mm.. personal preferance, not mine anymore. As far as the clock and competition. Time is life, If you cannot beat the clock and the BG can ... yer dead and you do not go home that day. But I still won't sell my 9mm SIG. Too purty. O' and get formal training outside your department. Your life and the life of your partner depend on it, and not everything you read works in real life. I got a bullet in my leg to prove that one.

That's cool. Not trying to slam the training or anything like that, just a few observations and thoughts...

By the way, have you attended any other training programs? Can you compare and contrast? Did you find anything there that didn't seem like a positive?

T-Rex · May 29th, 2008, 12:41 PM

Being that I am about to be deployed, I am gonna take the defensive handgun class and the practical rifle class before I leave in a couple of months....

Great write up...thanks for the info and insight...

youngda9 · May 29th, 2008, 01:02 PM

Where do you guys find these free or really cheap training certificates? I can't find anything on Ebay. Interested in places in the midwest if available.

T Bone · May 29th, 2008, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youngda9

Where do you guys find these free or really cheap training certificates? I can't find anything on Ebay. Interested in places in the midwest if available.

The certificates are specific to Front Sight Academy.
They sell very expensive life memberships. One of the perks are certificates that the member can give to friends/family, or even sell (at one time the idea was you could sell them off to pay for your lifetime membership).

go to eBay and search Front Sight Certificate, you'll find some.

quantum36 · May 29th, 2008, 04:21 PM

I was looking at Front Site's web site and downloaded their pdf brochure.

I see that they perform a criminal background check, prior to approval for taking a class. Thats fine by me.

But what is with the "Character Witness Statement"? They require a character witness who is not a family member and has known the applicant for at least 5 years?

Thats a bunch of Bull. Front Site will not be getting any of my money in the future!

AZ Husker · May 29th, 2008, 05:03 PM

Write your own. Who knows you better?

quantum36 · May 29th, 2008, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZ Husker

Write your own. Who knows you better?

May 23rd, 2008, 12:00 AM	#42
Blademan21 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: So. California Posts: 69	FrontSight Four of us took the 2 day course about 2yrs ago. Can't recall the name of the hotel but it was recommended by FS. The hotel even made box lunches to go that were picked up in the morning.Dang I wish I could recall the name of the hotel. I shot my Glock 36 and had no problems with FTF or FTE. The more mags you take the better.

May 23rd, 2008, 12:48 AM	#43
Bashful Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 78	I have to echo what Jarhead45 has said. I did the 4 day defensive handgun course the 1st weekend in May. There has been a lot of talk about the sales hype... While on site, there was an OPTIONAL presentation on the First Family program. I felt no pressure to 'drink the kool-aid'. I did watch it... because it was in the only air-conditioned room on site. I brought home a bucket full of new skills to practice, and feel more confident in weapons handling than I've ever felt before. It was amazing to watch how everyone (including ME) improved over the 4 day period. There were enough instructors so that if someone was a bit slow, they got one-on-one instruction to keep the class on pace and on schedule. Most every major platform was represented in the class. A lot of folks had Glocks... several had 1911's, Beretta's, XD's, Sigs, and S&W. There was one Kahr P9 and a Walther PPK. I shot my M&P 9c and it was flawless. After 4 days, I was able to Place a controlled pair (NOT double tap) COM at 15 meters from concealed draw in 1.5 seconds? You Bet! Move off the "X" QUICKLY to prevent becoming a bullet magnet? Yep! Quickly recognize and clear malfunctions while moving off the "X"? Absolutely! Gain additional awareness in Condition Yellow so that I might not ever get into the position where I HAVE to draw? Yes! The staff treated me like I was the only reason they were there. It's DEFINITELY NOT a boot camp. These folks are fierce proponents of 2A, and it has to have an impact on everyone who goes there. It certainly was work... not a leisure course. I was tired after 4 long days of shooting... but I enjoyed it and I learned a lot from it. A 4 day class doesn't make you an expert, but it does send you home with a clearer understanding of defensive handgun tactics along with new or improved skill set. I'm NOT a member, but I will be going again! __________________ Sig P239 SAS Para PDA Kahr P9 M&P 9C

May 29th, 2008, 01:02 PM	#46
youngda9 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Posts: 295	Where do you guys find these free or really cheap training certificates? I can't find anything on Ebay. Interested in places in the midwest if available. __________________ Speak softly, and carry a big stick.

May 29th, 2008, 04:21 PM	#48
quantum36 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southern Alabama Posts: 132	I was looking at Front Site's web site and downloaded their pdf brochure. I see that they perform a criminal background check, prior to approval for taking a class. Thats fine by me. But what is with the "Character Witness Statement"? They require a character witness who is not a family member and has known the applicant for at least 5 years? Thats a bunch of Bull. Front Site will not be getting any of my money in the future! __________________ G36 SA 1911 .45 High Cap Colt 1911 .45 National Match NRA Lifetime Member Member USCCA Navy Veteran

May 29th, 2008, 05:03 PM	#49
AZ Husker VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,131	Write your own. Who knows you better? __________________ Treat me good, I'll treat you better. Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse.

May 22nd, 2008, 08:37 PM	#41
clarence2005w New Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: chesterfield, va. Posts: 2	My son and I did this course in feb. 07. If you don't want to sweat that time of year is a good time to beat the heat. The marine is right you don't get a lot of sleep. This is a great place to hone your skills. Certificates are available on e-bay for this four day course for $99.00 dollars. We will go back and do it again.

May 29th, 2008, 12:41 PM	#45
T-Rex Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Wa State Posts: 73	Being that I am about to be deployed, I am gonna take the defensive handgun class and the practical rifle class before I leave in a couple of months.... Great write up...thanks for the info and insight...

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