Would you shoot? - Page 12

Thumper · June 20th, 2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by adaman04

I have seen this statement in the last two threads I have read. Please don't give new CCWers the idea that this is acceptable.

+1!

cl00bie · June 20th, 2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LongRider

How this could even be a consideration is beyond me. I have a real family. A family of honor and integrity who would never turn on me for doing the right thing regardless of the price. Any woman who would divorce or turn on her husband for stepping up save a child's life regardless of the price is a filthy sleazy slimy slithering skank. Mine isn't. If my standing up to stop a child from being killed meant I'd spend the rest of my days in a prison cell so be it, my wife would be there every visiting day. After what we have been through together and knowing the strength of my wife character I do not think that, I know it for an indisputable fact. To even think other wise is an unacceptable insult and attack on my wife.
There are some things that are far more important in this world than me, my freedom, my life and especially more important than my net worth. Next to God our children are the top of that list. Period.
I am at a complete loss to how one even gets to asking that as part of the equation. Who cares, a little baby was being beaten to death. A beautiful innocent child our Creators greatest gift was being beaten to death screaming in horror and pain, how can any of that other crap possibly matter?
Absolutely positively beyond any doubt do anything and everything possible to save that child, to do anything less is to be less than human. To me that is maybe the most horrifying part six people were there and I will never understand how six people could not stop one sick mad dog. Unless every one of them was beaten to death as well there is something seriously wrong with every single one of them based on what the article said

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Originally Posted by LongRider

WHAT What is going on have I completely lost my mind or has the whole world lost it? Mourn a sick rabid dog baby killing piece of................... I do not even have the words. BLESS WHAT SOUL Baby killers have no soul.

Maybe I'm drifting from the topic of conversation (and if I am, mods please reprimand me / delete the post). But baby killers indeed have a soul. They are also created in the image and likeness of God, and whatever sickness gripped him, he will be judged by God in the end. It may become our job to arrange that meeting. I hope God is merciful with him, because an eternity in hell is a horrible thing to wish on anybody.

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Originally Posted by LongRider

Baby killers have no soul they are the definition of all that is foul and evil. What in Gods name is there to mourn they are NOT human the dung I flushed this morning has more value more humanity than that filth will ever have. You can bet your life I did not regret or mourn the flush. If we have gotten so twisted in all this touchy feely peace joy joy love every one mumbo jumbo that we pity these fecal maggots, please someone shoot me because I am in hell

I would hope that when the time came to shoot in a situation like this, I would do what needed to be done, without malice or hatred, just cool competence.

If the perp was stopped but still not dead, I'd call for an ambulance to take him and the baby to the hospital (I would insist that they triage the baby first). If he died I'd say a prayer for his soul.

If you think badly of me for having this attitude, I'm sorry. But that is the way it is.

Chowmein · June 21st, 2008, 02:32 AM

I live in San Francisco and have driven thru Turlock where this happened. From what I read in the newspaper today, he was the father of the child and he believed that the child was possessed by demons. I believed that if anyone tried to stop him as soon as they saw what was going on, the child would've been dead already. This was a full grown man beating and stomping on a 2 year old. The child was beaten beyond recognition. To be totally honest, and I might get flamed for this, eventhough I knew that the child was beyond help and the father was still stomping and beating the child, I would've still shot him. That's just my thought, The Doctor.

Anubis · June 21st, 2008, 11:45 AM

(Welcome, Chowmein.)

Yes I would shoot on seeing such a horror. If I wouldn't shoot in this situation, or even had to consider it, I wouldn't carry.

Chowmein · June 21st, 2008, 06:13 PM

"If you got to shoot, shoot! Don't Talk!" -Tuco Ramirez-

Kind of applies to this situation.

64zebra · June 21st, 2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chowmein

I live in San Francisco and have driven thru Turlock where this happened. From what I read in the newspaper today, he was the father of the child and he believed that the child was possessed by demons. I believed that if anyone tried to stop him as soon as they saw what was going on, the child would've been dead already. This was a full grown man beating and stomping on a 2 year old. The child was beaten beyond recognition. To be totally honest, and I might get flamed for this, eventhough I knew that the child was beyond help and the father was still stomping and beating the child, I would've still shot him. That's just my thought, The Doctor.

need to shoot, we wouldn't have the opportunity to go check vitals, etc, if all we see is a grown man kicking/stomping a baby we have to judge the situation on the side of saving the kid's life

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Originally Posted by adaman04

I have seen this statement in the last two threads I have read. Please don't give new CCWers the idea that this is acceptable.

yes agreed, that type of attitude or speech does nothing to further our beliefs of gun ownership, right to self defense, or CCW

PileofBrass · June 21st, 2008, 09:25 PM

get a clear line of fire then, thirteen .45 caliber head shots until the slide locked open

whamonkey · June 22nd, 2008, 02:48 PM

Take the shot....shout to get his attention off the child for that split second and squeeze the trigger.

I still have a hard time excusing the witnesses who did nothing. It reminds me of the cowardly behavior exhibited in Hartford in the recent hit and run video. Where are we as a nation when folks just STAND there? I for one would struggle for the rest of my life with the knowledge that I witnessed a baby being murdered by a lunatic and I did nothing.

No brainer in my book.

Tanke · June 22nd, 2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gg12

The child was quite likely already mortally injured by the time the first bystander showed up and called. At the risk of sounding cold, I seriously doubt I'd have shot to defend a corpse.

You're not serious are you?...wow!!

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Originally Posted by stickybeatz

I would have shot the first chance I got. A guy like that doesn't deserve a warning

+ 1

T.

airborne1092 · June 24th, 2008, 04:12 PM

I would shoot him.

This stuff makes me sick, even more so now that I have two children.

June 21st, 2008, 11:45 AM	#114
Anubis Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arapahoe County CO Posts: 909	(Welcome, Chowmein.) Yes I would shoot on seeing such a horror. If I wouldn't shoot in this situation, or even had to consider it, I wouldn't carry. __________________ "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -attributed to Benjamin Franklin-

June 21st, 2008, 09:25 PM	#117
PileofBrass Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: east central Fl Posts: 21	get a clear line of fire then, thirteen .45 caliber head shots until the slide locked open __________________ no such thing as "knock down power"...... only "knock down accuracy"!! lawyers are the only ones counting the misses ACCURACY FIRST!!

June 24th, 2008, 04:12 PM	#120
airborne1092 New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 8	I would shoot him. This stuff makes me sick, even more so now that I have two children. __________________ -Airborne1092 "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." Frederick Douglass 1818 -1895

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June 21st, 2008, 02:32 AM	#113
Chowmein New Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2	I live in San Francisco and have driven thru Turlock where this happened. From what I read in the newspaper today, he was the father of the child and he believed that the child was possessed by demons. I believed that if anyone tried to stop him as soon as they saw what was going on, the child would've been dead already. This was a full grown man beating and stomping on a 2 year old. The child was beaten beyond recognition. To be totally honest, and I might get flamed for this, eventhough I knew that the child was beyond help and the father was still stomping and beating the child, I would've still shot him. That's just my thought, The Doctor.

June 21st, 2008, 06:13 PM	#115
Chowmein New Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2	"If you got to shoot, shoot! Don't Talk!" -Tuco Ramirez- Kind of applies to this situation.

June 22nd, 2008, 02:48 PM	#118
whamonkey Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Spring Hill, Tn. Posts: 307	Take the shot....shout to get his attention off the child for that split second and squeeze the trigger. I still have a hard time excusing the witnesses who did nothing. It reminds me of the cowardly behavior exhibited in Hartford in the recent hit and run video. Where are we as a nation when folks just STAND there? I for one would struggle for the rest of my life with the knowledge that I witnessed a baby being murdered by a lunatic and I did nothing. No brainer in my book.