Would you shoot? - Page 4

snowdoctor · June 16th, 2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

That said, if for some reason I did not have a firearm with me, I'd use whatever came to hand to try and stop him.

Bite, kick, gouge, tear ears, poke eyes, whatever it took. I'd go to hell before I'd sit by and watch something like that so long as I had the ability to move even one limb.....

Matt

+1
I just told my office staff this story, and this is what immediately came up...why didn't the people looking on do something...anything...
no respect for our fellow man anymore.
as a parent this sort of thing, just makes me physically ill...
Would you have a hard time justifying the 34 9mm holes after the fact? and the reload?

cwblanco · June 16th, 2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Paco;755561[quote

I also agree with some in other posts that the on lookers who did nothing to help should at least be smacked around a bit, bunch of panty waist morons.

According to the article onlookers did try to intervene, and after he was temporarily stopped, he resumed the attack. It is unfortunate that no one had immediate access to a good crow bar or firearm.

As to whether anyone would have shot him, I suspect that even in California the better question is "Is there anyone who would NOT have shot him?

As to those who say they first would go for a wound shot first, I will assume that they are proven expert shots under stressful circumstances. For the remainder of us average shooters, we will go for the shot which has the best odds of ending the threat in a hurry -- full body mass.

Thumper · June 16th, 2008, 04:22 PM

I personally wouldn't post an irretrievable absolute statement about what I would or wouldn't do anywhere on the internet... in my state, threat of imminent death or severe bodily harm must exist before deadly force can be used. I think this situation clearly meets both of those legal standards.

Free American · June 16th, 2008, 04:34 PM

Sorry for the child.

As for the dirtbag, he would have never known I was going to shoot him. The shot would inform him of his misdeeds. There is NO EXCUSE FOR STOMPING CHILDREN!!! And I would take my chances in front of a jury on that one, without a second thought.

papanewguinea · June 16th, 2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Free American

There is NO EXCUSE FOR STOMPING CHILDREN!!!

*applause*

TomEgun · June 16th, 2008, 04:41 PM

Hi All
As for me im about sick to my stomach with this !! its just about everyday in this country IE 2 girls in OKlahoma or every state in between. even in my sleepy little town a father went nuts and cut his daughters head off. Ive seen alot of evil around the world in my time of service and I belive there is a point when a person stops being a human being and becomes something pure evil, Would I have warned no! might have used the child as a sheild, would I have shot ?
well as we used to say back in the duece only one way home for that guy , one in the head and one in the heart..

Naturalstate · June 16th, 2008, 04:41 PM

I would venture to say the greater percentage of us would hand him his death certificate. First things first... make sure your attorney is a 2 ammendment expert and also pro-gun carry. Nothing we can do much about that eventual jury. (this is of in the event you have an unfriendly States Attorney.) Now lets say we have 20/20 after the fact and all facts are in...

Your private attorney bills for the criminal end of things and civil attorney from his estate come down on you in the amount of $500,000.00 (1/2 million) your home has to be sold and all possessions to pay for your legal bills... your family has turned against you due to these events..divorce etc etc..
Would you still shoot the man? ????????

MattLarson · June 16th, 2008, 04:44 PM

I very much doubt here in Central Florida that the SAO would be foolish enough to seek an indictment, and I have even less doubt that the Grand Jury would no-bill in about 10 seconds given the fact pattern in the scenario provided.

Matt

dukalmighty · June 16th, 2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AZ Heat

Shooting to wound will get you in a load of trouble! Notice that a cop will never do this. They shoot to stop the threat (kill). If you shoot someone with the intent to wound you better have a lot of money and free time for the lawyer fees and jail time. Shouldn't be that way, but it is.

As far as would I shoot...yes. I'd verbally warn to stop, then warn that I'll shoot if he doesn't stop, then shoot to stop. Still cost a pretty penny in lawyers fees just to keep it out of court, but it is the right thing to do. Protecting a child...that is a no-brainer. Too bad it ended the way it did. This world is getting screwed up!

I posted it like that because I think a quick kill would let this guy off too easy, but in real life I would double tap him COM hopefully blowing his heart apart.Either thid guy was so drugged up or emotionally unstable that something a small child did provoked him to beat him to death.Actually going to prison and being stuck in general population would of been better ,once the lifers found out he beat a small child to death ,he would of received the same treatment.
Also in Texas if the shooting was justified you cannot be sued civilly by perp or family ,period

snowdoctor · June 16th, 2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Naturalstate

I would venture to say the greater percentage of us would hand him his death certificate. First things first... make sure your attorney is a 2 ammendment expert and also pro-gun carry. Nothing we can do much about that eventual jury. (this is of in the event you have an unfriendly States Attorney.) Now lets say we have 20/20 after the fact and all facts are in...

Your private attorney bills for the criminal end of things and civil attorney from his estate come down on you in the amount of $500,000.00 (1/2 million) your home has to be sold and all possessions to pay for your legal bills... your family has turned against you due to these events..divorce etc etc..
Would you still shoot the man? ????????

yup.
if it meant I could save the life of a 12-24 month old baby...it is just money...and I have enough faith in the system that the legal system would not charge for this.

June 16th, 2008, 04:22 PM	#33
Thumper VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sparks, Nevada Posts: 3,324	I personally wouldn't post an irretrievable absolute statement about what I would or wouldn't do anywhere on the internet... in my state, threat of imminent death or severe bodily harm must exist before deadly force can be used. I think this situation clearly meets both of those legal standards. __________________ ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!

June 16th, 2008, 04:34 PM	#34
Free American Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 594	Sorry for the child. As for the dirtbag, he would have never known I was going to shoot him. The shot would inform him of his misdeeds. There is NO EXCUSE FOR STOMPING CHILDREN!!! And I would take my chances in front of a jury on that one, without a second thought. __________________ They who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin Previously known as "cjm5874"

June 16th, 2008, 04:41 PM	#36
TomEgun Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: north carolina Posts: 68	Hi All As for me im about sick to my stomach with this !! its just about everyday in this country IE 2 girls in OKlahoma or every state in between. even in my sleepy little town a father went nuts and cut his daughters head off. Ive seen alot of evil around the world in my time of service and I belive there is a point when a person stops being a human being and becomes something pure evil, Would I have warned no! might have used the child as a sheild, would I have shot ? well as we used to say back in the duece only one way home for that guy , one in the head and one in the heart.. __________________ "If you want peace, prepare war." Si vis pacem, para bellum. Old Paratroopers never die , we just regroup!! 82nd ABN DIV.. GOD Bless our Troops!! MCCAIN: STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY!! Watch out Washington here come's PALIN !!

June 16th, 2008, 04:44 PM	#38
MattLarson Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,312	I very much doubt here in Central Florida that the SAO would be foolish enough to seek an indictment, and I have even less doubt that the Grand Jury would no-bill in about 10 seconds given the fact pattern in the scenario provided. Matt __________________ Hope is not a plan.

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June 16th, 2008, 04:41 PM	#37
Naturalstate Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 45	I would venture to say the greater percentage of us would hand him his death certificate. First things first... make sure your attorney is a 2 ammendment expert and also pro-gun carry. Nothing we can do much about that eventual jury. (this is of in the event you have an unfriendly States Attorney.) Now lets say we have 20/20 after the fact and all facts are in... Your private attorney bills for the criminal end of things and civil attorney from his estate come down on you in the amount of $500,000.00 (1/2 million) your home has to be sold and all possessions to pay for your legal bills... your family has turned against you due to these events..divorce etc etc.. Would you still shoot the man? ????????