Brady Campaigns list of CCW holder crimes - Page 4

Paco · June 20th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Speaking of the Brady Bunch, and this might be off topic by a little, but was the gun used by John Hinckley legal? I was a mere kid during all of that so I am unaware of carrying rules/laws back then, I mean I'd walk to the woods with my .22 rifle to shoot squirrels but that is different than what this knucklehead did.

Can someone enlighten a professed young pup (I'm only 34 now) in the ways of the past and how they have lead us to where we are now?

archer51 · June 20th, 2008, 05:20 PM

If you notice most of the cases quoted were in FL. Guess most of the BG's live down there!

Seriously though, if that is all they could find in a period of 12 years, I don't see how they could say that the world is less safe with CC in it.

I forgot, were talking the Brady Bunch!

cl00bie · June 20th, 2008, 05:21 PM

I just signed up for action alerts for my state from the Brady Bunch. I suggest everyone else do the same. It's nice to know when we need to get involved.

cl00bie · June 20th, 2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by archer51

If you notice most of the cases quoted were in FL. Guess most of the BG's live down there!

Seriously though, if that is all they could find in a period of 12 years, I don't see how they could say that the world is less safe with CC in it.

I forgot, were talking the Brady Bunch!

Didn't Florida recently become "shall issue"? It's going to be interesting to see what happens in that state over the next 5 or so years.

Paco · June 20th, 2008, 05:41 PM

OK, so I just read this page from the Brady Bunch site

Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence

and I think I need to go throw up...

They claim that out of 29,569 Americans who died by gunfire in 2004, only 229 were shot in justifiable homicides by private citizens with firearms. Who's to say that many more crimes were thwarted because a criminal actually used their gray matter and considered there might be a gun on the other end of the door they are about to pick?

I do agree that many people who CC are untrained, some in my CHL class worried me, but that is besides the point, can you say 2A (hey that rhymed).

bandit383 · June 20th, 2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Paco

I do agree that many people who CC are untrained, some in my CHL class worried me...

In many respects...that is the point made by many against carry (not insinuating you are one...in some respects I also agree with you).

Rick

maxx366 · June 20th, 2008, 06:01 PM

if you dig deep enough and twist the truth, you can make anyone or anything "good" sound bad. thanks for that brady bunch

helitech · June 20th, 2008, 07:04 PM

In the same period, How many LEOs were convicted for a violent crime?

Hopyard · June 20th, 2008, 07:40 PM

Again, there were a total of 140 convictions of CHL holders in Texas in 2006.
This amounted to 0.227 % of ALL convictions. Whereas, license holders make up about 1% of the total population. Therefore, license holders are about five times less likely to be convicted of something that the members of the general public.

It was a total of 140 convictions of CHL holders out of approximately 280,000 license holders.

By comparison, there were 64,000 convictions from within the general public.

I culled some of the major crime categories, with more than 5 convictions of a license holder.

ASSAULT CAUSING BODILY INJURY 21 convictions
ASSAULT CAUSING BODILY INJURY
FAMILY VIOLENCE 23 convictions

DEADLY CONDUCT 11

INDECENCY WITH A CHILD 9

UNLAWFUL CARRY BY LICENSE
HOLDER 11

UNLAWFUL CARRY WEAPON 3

By and large we are a group of law abiding boy scouts, but as in any other group, some just don't obey the law.

Nothing in the statistics from Texas indicate any reason for concern that license holders will commit crimes using their weapons. Of the 140 total convictions of license holders, eleven "crimes" are unique to those who hold a license. My guess, probably violation of the "51" provision in Texas CHL law (it is tricky).

Dusty Miller · June 20th, 2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tabsr

And how many elected politicians in the same time period?

Or for that matter, how many men of the cloth?

June 20th, 2008, 05:06 PM	#31
Paco Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,691	Speaking of the Brady Bunch, and this might be off topic by a little, but was the gun used by John Hinckley legal? I was a mere kid during all of that so I am unaware of carrying rules/laws back then, I mean I'd walk to the woods with my .22 rifle to shoot squirrels but that is different than what this knucklehead did. Can someone enlighten a professed young pup (I'm only 34 now) in the ways of the past and how they have lead us to where we are now? __________________ "Don't hit at all if you can help it; don't hit a man if you can possibly avoid it; but if you do hit him, put him to sleep." - Theodore Roosevelt If you are not willing to stand behind our Troops, feel free to stand in front of them! -Paco

June 20th, 2008, 05:21 PM	#33
cl00bie Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Upstate New York (USA) Posts: 156	I just signed up for action alerts for my state from the Brady Bunch. I suggest everyone else do the same. It's nice to know when we need to get involved. __________________ -Tony "Those who beat their guns into plowshares will plow for those who didn't." -- Thomas Jefferson

June 20th, 2008, 05:41 PM	#35
Paco Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,691	OK, so I just read this page from the Brady Bunch site Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence and I think I need to go throw up... They claim that out of 29,569 Americans who died by gunfire in 2004, only 229 were shot in justifiable homicides by private citizens with firearms. Who's to say that many more crimes were thwarted because a criminal actually used their gray matter and considered there might be a gun on the other end of the door they are about to pick? I do agree that many people who CC are untrained, some in my CHL class worried me, but that is besides the point, can you say 2A (hey that rhymed). __________________ "Don't hit at all if you can help it; don't hit a man if you can possibly avoid it; but if you do hit him, put him to sleep." - Theodore Roosevelt If you are not willing to stand behind our Troops, feel free to stand in front of them! -Paco

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June 20th, 2008, 05:20 PM	#32
archer51 VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: VA Posts: 2,407	If you notice most of the cases quoted were in FL. Guess most of the BG's live down there! Seriously though, if that is all they could find in a period of 12 years, I don't see how they could say that the world is less safe with CC in it. I forgot, were talking the Brady Bunch!

June 20th, 2008, 06:01 PM	#37
maxx366 Ex Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: tampa bay Posts: 38	if you dig deep enough and twist the truth, you can make anyone or anything "good" sound bad. thanks for that brady bunch

June 20th, 2008, 07:04 PM	#38
helitech Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: AZ Posts: 81	In the same period, How many LEOs were convicted for a violent crime?

June 20th, 2008, 07:40 PM	#39
Hopyard Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: College Station Posts: 1,178	Again, there were a total of 140 convictions of CHL holders in Texas in 2006. This amounted to 0.227 % of ALL convictions. Whereas, license holders make up about 1% of the total population. Therefore, license holders are about five times less likely to be convicted of something that the members of the general public. It was a total of 140 convictions of CHL holders out of approximately 280,000 license holders. By comparison, there were 64,000 convictions from within the general public. I culled some of the major crime categories, with more than 5 convictions of a license holder. ASSAULT CAUSING BODILY INJURY 21 convictions ASSAULT CAUSING BODILY INJURY FAMILY VIOLENCE 23 convictions DEADLY CONDUCT 11 INDECENCY WITH A CHILD 9 UNLAWFUL CARRY BY LICENSE HOLDER 11 UNLAWFUL CARRY WEAPON 3 By and large we are a group of law abiding boy scouts, but as in any other group, some just don't obey the law. Nothing in the statistics from Texas indicate any reason for concern that license holders will commit crimes using their weapons. Of the 140 total convictions of license holders, eleven "crimes" are unique to those who hold a license. My guess, probably violation of the "51" provision in Texas CHL law (it is tricky).