Carry @ Work - Page 2

DrSal · June 22nd, 2008, 10:45 PM

Very simple, concealed means concealed !

Thumper · June 22nd, 2008, 10:49 PM

It's totally a personal choice. Count the cost, do what's right in your own mind.

b52ace · June 22nd, 2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hopyard

How does Florida's law differ from the one passed in OK? That one was shot down by a Federal Court in Denver (I think). Don't recall specifics but there was a Federal pre-emption in OSHA law, I think.

In other words, why might this one stand whereas Oklahoma's law to allow employees to keep guns in their cars was knocked down?

I'm not sure about the specifics of the individual laws, but because the FL law hasn't been taken to court (yet) and the state hasn't lost the case. As I understand the OK situation, the corporations there took the state to court alleging their law violated OSHA workplace safety regulations. Our law hasn't been challenged (again, yet) so it stands as the law of the state. And it could still survive a fed'l court battle because we are in a different district than OK and these judges may be more conservative and interpret the situation as FL has it correct. If I am incorrect, someone please correct me.

Agave · June 23rd, 2008, 12:25 AM

My night job is in an ABC restaurant and apparently I can't lawfully carry there without permission from my manager, so I'm reluctant.

My immediate supervisor, who is a strong anti, says that "this isn't a real company." Therefore, we don't have rules... at all. I do work in, not for, a hospital which has a no firearms policy. My Gov't in my C-TAC is easily concealed by my long tee shirt which is held down by my tool belt.

A few days ago, the crew was in a [non ABC] restaurant for dinner break. When I came out of the restroom, I was walking back to the table and a guy was looking in the direction of my gun. I looked down and my shirt had caught on the hammer. I was about 10 feet from my boss. Apparently he didn't notice.

Chris Dawg · June 23rd, 2008, 05:58 AM

I am not sure I got my point across very well...

On 2nd thought it doesn't matter much as a BG is not going to pay much mind to some sign or company policy.

grady · June 23rd, 2008, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Dawg

My work has a policy that says no weapons on the property. I realize that this policy does not exactly go with the 2A, it is enough to get you fired and FL is a right to work state. There is no rule preventing the average citizen from carrying on the property. I am in a position where I can get the policy changed but not the employee part. What do you think I should suggest or should I even bother?

Thanks!
Chris

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Originally Posted by Chris Dawg

I am not sure I got my point across very well...

On 2nd thought it doesn't matter much as a BG is not going to pay much mind to some sign or company policy.

Do you mean you are in a position to change company policy for the customers, but not for yourself?

Am I correct in believing that the "no gun" signs have no legal weight in Florida? Is that common knowledge among those who carry legally, or would some who have their license not carry because of the sign?

My opinion is that if you can change the company policy even for customers only, that would be a good thing. It might mean more people will legally carry into your business.

As far as you not being able to carry according to company policy, one step at a time... and perhaps deep concealment.

cphilip · June 23rd, 2008, 08:17 AM

For me its not just the policy but it is the Law. And its different when it is the law. I always try and obey the law as it is written not as one wishes to interpret it. And here, it simply is the Law that I cannot carry at work. All I can do is obey that and try and change the law. Some places of employment go beyond what is policy and have state laws (or federal laws) applied to them. If you worked in a Federal building you wouldn't chose to carry anyway. You would obey the law. Same thing with a State institution which had a clear State law prohibiting carry. Your only choice then is to get permission from the local authority or not carry, because it is the law. Much harder to do than just risk employment. Your risking a legal challenge too.

retsupt99 · June 23rd, 2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by grady

Do you mean you are in a position to change company policy for the customers, but not for yourself?

Am I correct in believing that the "no gun" signs have no legal weight in Florida? Is that common knowledge among those who carry legally, or would some who have their license not carry because of the sign?

My opinion is that if you can change the company policy even for customers only, that would be a good thing. It might mean more people will legally carry into your business.

As far as you not being able to carry according to company policy, one step at a time... and perhaps deep concealment.

Correcto Mundo...any gun class would/should discuss that 'point of law'...
I love the GunShine State...

Chris Dawg · June 23rd, 2008, 12:34 PM

Wow I may be totally wrong about this. Looking at our handbook today I don't see any mention of weapons at all. I will have to read it thoroughly when I get home tonight.

grady · June 23rd, 2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by retsupt99

Correcto Mundo...any gun class would/should discuss that 'point of law'...
I love the GunShine State...

We've got it good here in Missouri with our CCW laws, but in some areas Florida has us beat.

Keep up the good work of setting better standards for CCW, and may they keep on spreading!

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Originally Posted by Chris Dawg

Wow I may be totally wrong about this. Looking at our handbook today I don't see any mention of weapons at all. I will have to read it thoroughly when I get home tonight.

Well that's interesting. That may put you in a catch-22 situation: if there is no policy and you ask about it, the company may create a policy that is not gun friendly.

If there is no company policy, then there apparently is no violation if you carry. If that is the situation, perhaps "don't ask, don't tell" is a good and legal option for you.

June 22nd, 2008, 10:49 PM	#12
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June 23rd, 2008, 12:25 AM	#14
Agave Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 532	My night job is in an ABC restaurant and apparently I can't lawfully carry there without permission from my manager, so I'm reluctant. My immediate supervisor, who is a strong anti, says that "this isn't a real company." Therefore, we don't have rules... at all. I do work in, not for, a hospital which has a no firearms policy. My Gov't in my C-TAC is easily concealed by my long tee shirt which is held down by my tool belt. A few days ago, the crew was in a [non ABC] restaurant for dinner break. When I came out of the restroom, I was walking back to the table and a guy was looking in the direction of my gun. I looked down and my shirt had caught on the hammer. I was about 10 feet from my boss. Apparently he didn't notice. __________________ The preceding post may contain sarcasm; it's just better that way. However, it is still intended with construction and with the Love of my L-rd Y'shua. "Wherever I go, everyone is a little safer because I am there; anyone in need has a friend." -Capt. Jack Hoban, USMC

June 23rd, 2008, 08:17 AM	#17
cphilip Distinguished Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,304	For me its not just the policy but it is the Law. And its different when it is the law. I always try and obey the law as it is written not as one wishes to interpret it. And here, it simply is the Law that I cannot carry at work. All I can do is obey that and try and change the law. Some places of employment go beyond what is policy and have state laws (or federal laws) applied to them. If you worked in a Federal building you wouldn't chose to carry anyway. You would obey the law. Same thing with a State institution which had a clear State law prohibiting carry. Your only choice then is to get permission from the local authority or not carry, because it is the law. Much harder to do than just risk employment. Your risking a legal challenge too. __________________ www.cphilip.com

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June 22nd, 2008, 10:45 PM	#11
DrSal Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Florida Posts: 159	Very simple, concealed means concealed !

June 23rd, 2008, 05:58 AM	#15
Chris Dawg Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Central FL Posts: 111	I am not sure I got my point across very well... On 2nd thought it doesn't matter much as a BG is not going to pay much mind to some sign or company policy.

June 23rd, 2008, 12:34 PM	#19
Chris Dawg Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Central FL Posts: 111	Wow I may be totally wrong about this. Looking at our handbook today I don't see any mention of weapons at all. I will have to read it thoroughly when I get home tonight.