Fairfax County Police (WoW) From VCDL (UGLY) - Page 4

sui-juris · June 24th, 2008, 11:27 PM

You know this story is almost so unbelievable that I think I might check out snopes.com...Of course.truth is stranger than fiction.

rljohns · June 24th, 2008, 11:57 PM

I think some LEOs feel that the "public safety" is more important that the actual law and the law gets in the way of protecting the children (sheep, any word that fits). I see al kinds of signs with invalid threates posted. Just look at a local Jared's Jewery store. I've had MD LEOs tell me that if they caught me conceal carrying my pistol they wouldn't say a word because they could tell I was good guy. Well I would still be breaking the letter of the law. They wouldn't see me as a threat. I know New Yorkers that conceal carry every day without a permit and don't think twice. Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.

rljohns · June 24th, 2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

true enough.

Can't they use those "Robo-Cops" ? They don't make mistakes.

Phillep Harding · June 25th, 2008, 12:20 AM

Fiction has to make sense, reality doesn't care what you believe.

I've heard both sides of a few stories and want to hear the rest of this one.

Even if the guy had a mouth, the charges made were stupid.

mcp1810 · June 25th, 2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalexplr

Just a little thread hijack.

Before you go to referring to LEO's as dumb, you should check out the education requirements of most departments. Your larger departments almost always require a bachelor's degree of applicants. Even for those who don't, getting promoted usually does. The higher you go in rank the higher degree required.

Many of you would be surprised to know that the, "dumb" cop that pulled you over may have a Master's Degree or even a PhD.

This is what makes stupid moves very costly for officers and departments. They can't claim ignorance.

Smaller and more rural departments are a different story.

Most of the "larger" departments I am familiar with do not require a degree. Unless they changed the requirements D.C. police and Houston only require a high school diploma to get hired. Of those that do require college, what they require is a number of college credits. Usually they do not have any requirement for what those credits are in. You could get your sixty credits in P.E. and underwater basket weaving and they count the same as my criminal justice and psychology credits. Some do require a bachelors to make sergeant and all required at least a bachelors to make LT or above.

FN1910 · June 25th, 2008, 03:25 PM

I know that most around here, even the small towns encourage a degree. Due to the shortage they don't require one but it is rare that anyone will move up any at all with out some kind of degree. A lot of them are two year degrees rather than four year but the trend is toward the four year. The days of hiring your buddy that can't get a job anywhere is approaching an end even for the jail guards but it is going to take a while. Sadly even PHD doesn't do a while lot of good to create good sense in some people.

TacticalCompact · June 25th, 2008, 04:26 PM

Last I checked, posession of a college degree is not a fair indicator of intelligence or wisdom. All it tells me is you went to class for at least two years. You can get a degree with merely passing grades in what I consider remedial classes. I also know many people with a PHD that seriously lack intelligence, social skills, wisdom, or any combination thereof.

Having a degree does not make one "smart." What gave you that idea anyway? People are people regardless of profession or education.

packinnova · June 25th, 2008, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitalexplr

Just a little thread hijack.

Before you go to referring to LEO's as dumb, you should check out the education requirements of most departments. Your larger departments almost always require a bachelor's degree of applicants. Even for those who don't, getting promoted usually does. The higher you go in rank the higher degree required.

Many of you would be surprised to know that the, "dumb" cop that pulled you over may have a Master's Degree or even a PhD.

This is what makes stupid moves very costly for officers and departments. They can't claim ignorance.

Smaller and more rural departments are a different story.

heh, I wouldn't go by education requirements. I know folks with BS's that I wouldn't trust to plug in a light-bulb correctly. Same for the PHD...I know a few of those too. Neither of which have any common sense. ONE of them actually has a brain and knows how to use it.

SelfDefense · June 25th, 2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TacticalCompact

Having a degree does not make one "smart." What gave you that idea anyway? People are people regardless of profession or education.

Statistically, however, having a degree makes one more marketable and able to generate more income. It is also the case that the average college graduate is 'smarter' than his non educated counterpart.

Of course, any particular individual can be an idiot and ignorant no matter their level of education. The point is that a college degree should never be disregarded or dismissed. At least it demonstrates a perseverance that many Americans no longer possess.

Texian · June 25th, 2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

The story is on the VCDL's website (Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL)) but no sources are provided.

Matt

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

Thats what I thought... No offense to anyone here, but I haven't been to impressed with a lot of gun rights organizations abilities to gather facts on these types of stories. Other than "I'll bet a paycheck there is more tot he story" I'll reserve further comment.

To make serious allegations about LEOs without corroboration such as VCDL has done here is very disappointing. I think the members should refrain from joining this party until these officers have been shown to be guilty of misconduct. Otherwise it gives this forum the appearance of having serious prejudice against LEOs. JMO

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June 24th, 2008, 11:57 PM	#32
rljohns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 529	I think some LEOs feel that the "public safety" is more important that the actual law and the law gets in the way of protecting the children (sheep, any word that fits). I see al kinds of signs with invalid threates posted. Just look at a local Jared's Jewery store. I've had MD LEOs tell me that if they caught me conceal carrying my pistol they wouldn't say a word because they could tell I was good guy. Well I would still be breaking the letter of the law. They wouldn't see me as a threat. I know New Yorkers that conceal carry every day without a permit and don't think twice. Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.

June 25th, 2008, 12:20 AM	#34
Phillep Harding Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 221	Fiction has to make sense, reality doesn't care what you believe. I've heard both sides of a few stories and want to hear the rest of this one. Even if the guy had a mouth, the charges made were stupid.

June 25th, 2008, 03:25 PM	#36
FN1910 Ex Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SC Posts: 1,236	I know that most around here, even the small towns encourage a degree. Due to the shortage they don't require one but it is rare that anyone will move up any at all with out some kind of degree. A lot of them are two year degrees rather than four year but the trend is toward the four year. The days of hiring your buddy that can't get a job anywhere is approaching an end even for the jail guards but it is going to take a while. Sadly even PHD doesn't do a while lot of good to create good sense in some people.

June 25th, 2008, 04:26 PM	#37
TacticalCompact Ex Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Nevada Posts: 317	Last I checked, posession of a college degree is not a fair indicator of intelligence or wisdom. All it tells me is you went to class for at least two years. You can get a degree with merely passing grades in what I consider remedial classes. I also know many people with a PHD that seriously lack intelligence, social skills, wisdom, or any combination thereof. Having a degree does not make one "smart." What gave you that idea anyway? People are people regardless of profession or education.