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Very few people pulled over for running a red light do not dispute it. I would say that tthis is probably true. Maybe some LEO in here can enlighten us on whether most people admit it or deny it.

Don't see a thing worng with this. I would do the same if stopped in VA.

This is where it gets weird. Why did two more units pull up? Did the first officer call for help and if so why. Or did they just happen by and decide to stop. This is something that could shed some light on this incident.

What is "felony stop" mode. Where was he when made to walk backwards. Were they doing a roadside sobrtiety check? They disarmed and handcuffed him. Sounds like standard procedure for someone being arrested.

This I could believe. I doubt that they threw it on the road but how many in here have not dropped their gun. Isn't that something that we all check for when choosing a gun is one that will not go off if dropped?

OK

That is wild from all standpoints I would have thought they knew that law?

Unless they thought he wa a felon then surely they would have know about the federal travel guidelines.

Hard to believe a Fairfax LEO didn't know NC had reciprocity unless they were completely clueless

Again standard proceedure for someone arrested.

Sounds good to me

Hard to think that a judge would even ask about teflon coated but maybe he was as flustered as anyone.

Why did the judge call to verify, he should have known it was valid at face value unless he was calling to see if it had been revoked and then only if he had reason to think it was. I just checked my SC and NH permits and there is no phone number on either of them. Is that a NC thing?

I would hope so.

That is probably a matter of interpretation but I imagine that they did not give it back as fast as the owner wanted it. How about the car they impounded. Did they give it back?

I would think so since this is how the whole thing started.

I am sure that is how the fellow felt.


Not that is my opinion on this and I really don't know what to think. Sounds like some serious misunderstanding but if they actually carried him to court on those three charges then that is some serious stuff.

biasedbulldog

Brief thoughts:

Stories that may be factually correct are not necessarily entirely true. There's another side to this story. Of course, the other side might be exactly like this one, heh.

But I'd like to see an AP story on it. I get the feeling that, while this may be a factual account, there might be some mitigating factors in favor of the LEO's.

[read: I HOPE TO GOD THAT THESE LEO'S AREN'T THAT (edit: SILLY)].

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They were in Ohio, with Dan Sayers.

They were in Norfolk, VA, with Chet Szymecki.

They were in the case involving customers at Tony's Pizza in Manassas, VA.

There are many cases out there where POWER is the operative word, not CRIME.

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Rob99VMI04

Yeah!!!the problem with your question is the story legitamacy has pretty much been verified as true. VCDL run by Philip Van Cleave who IIRC may be a former Police Officer himself. He also holds his organzination in very high regard and over the last 5-8 years released alerts that in IIRC have never been wrong. The assumptions you made about this where the same assumptions most people made about the Alert when the Richmond police went to a gun show, watched people buy guns, and then went to that individuals neighborhood to tell their family members, neighbors that that person was at the gun show buying guns. I mean that just sounds SCI-FI; however, it was not. I hear you about the cop bashing however, I'm 90% that this story is accurate.

FN1910,
Just an FYI Teflon Coated bullets are not illegal in VA. They are only illegal if you have them in the commission of crime. Which wouldn't that make the gun illegal? Anyway, happy the magistrate asked.

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FN1910

I am thinking about hollow points in NJ. Are teflon coated bullets hollow point? Wouldn't that defeat the supposedly reported purpose of the "Cop Killer" teflon coating to go through vests? Just wondering why a judge would make the jump from hollow point to teflon coated.

Rob99VMI04

Teflon coated where said by the media to go through a vest. I've never seen any facts on if you take a 9mm 115 teflon coated bullet moving at the same speed as a 115 FMJ would have any differn't effect on todays armor. I think it was another media hype kind of like the "BLACK TALON" which by todays standards would not be shot out most peoples guns as a self defense load, expecially since they now have much better jacketed bonded projectiles that give a much more reliable expansion. I know a guy who shoots teflon coated lead bullets for practice, and in IDPA from the simple fact because there cheaper then jacketed stuff, plus he can run them through his Glock and not have to worry about the polygonal rifling, that he would have if he ran straight lead. Hes a reloader therefore he buys in volume and thats what he shoots.

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Jaystekan

HMMM, Just checked my NC permit and there is no phone number on it. Not sure what number the judge was calling.

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FN1910

Maybe you need to get yours check out. You probably have a fake own.

Nozoki

A little off topic, but...
I was driving up to Maryland several years ago from central VA and I used Google maps to plot my course. Well it had me going right through D.C. to get there. I didn't know any better at the time. Anyway, it was getting to be pretty late at night and it started to pour down rain. So I was driving really slow because I couldn't see a thing and I was looking for street signs as I drove along. The road was pretty empty, and it was several lanes wide. I kept seeing these little red lights off to the side of the road on each side as I drove along and was wondering what they were. Then they turned green. I had gone through at least 10 red lights before I realized it. I had never seen street lights on the side on the road like that before, so I had no clue that's what they were. All I could see through the rain was the lights, not the poles.

So to bring it back on topic, I can understand if this guy drove past one of these street lights. He may not have even noticed it.

Sticks

Regarding the arrival of additional police...

Depending on the department, recent hires, and so on, I can believe it.

Possibility...All the first officer registered was "I am armed" and called backup. Arriving officers and supervisor may have realized the boo boo, and tried to salvage the situation by going forth and hoping the citizen would just roll over and take it.

I was detained a couple of years ago (11:30 PM) for "Suspicion of DUI" and two additional units arrived before the first officer got out of his vehicle, and a fourth arrived while he was walking the 10 yards to where I stopped/parked my bike (1/2 a block from my garage), key hanging off the right mirror, and my sitting side saddle smoking a cigarette clearly demonstrating that I was not a flight risk. Surrounded, grilled, Breathalyzered (0.0 much to the LEOs irritation), lectured on my riding practices for 35 minuets by some twit who I have been riding longer than he has been alive, and released with not even a warning of any infraction. Had I been ticked, it would have been a fun day in court.

So, multiple officers arriving on a minor traffic stop does not surprise me in the least. Compounding the situation...I too would like to hear more about this from official channels.

Had I been the citizen in the OP situation, I would have pushed the issue with the magistrate to have my gun and car returned then and now, no fees, and a verbal apology from the officers. Ticket me for the Red light, my bad, here is the money for the fine.

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911 is just part of the procedure for filing paperwork