packinnova

[quote=DaveH;770403]Agreed. I've had the same opinion for a while now. I lived in fairfax for a good 10 years and I've only run into one bad apple in that bunch in the entire time. I also knew the former Captain of the Traffic Division over there and he ran a tight ship. He was as sharp as they come and as honest as they come.

This one bad apple in this incident may have recently come from one of our lost colonies up north if it happened as the story is told.

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DonnyDon

This may seem odd but I was once pulled over and ticketed for "Not stopping at a yellow light" in Auburn Mass.

Rob99VMI04

FROM VCDL: Update on North Carolina permit holder who was falsely arrested in
Fairfax County
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Since I first reported on three Fairfax County police officers falsely
arresting a North Carolina concealed handgun permit holder last week,
I have been contacted by Lt. O'Connor with the Fairfax County Police.

Lt. O'Connor is going to be handling the investigation into the
incident, which happened on June 21st at the intersection of Richmond
Hwy and Lockheed Blvd.

Lt. O'Connor was polite and professional. He basically confirmed that
the statement of facts I had made about what happened was pretty much
what he had heard. He said the investigation might change that
understanding though.

He expected the investigation to last about two weeks.

Once the investigation is complete and we see what actions Fairfax
County is going to take to prevent further abuses of law-abiding gun
owners, VCDL will decide what to do and react accordingly.

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ORCGUY

I know Lt. O'Conner and he will handle it. On another note, about 10 years ago, I was pulled over on I-95 by VSP and the Trooper absolutley freaked out when I told him I had a permit and had a weapon in the car, he ordered me out of the car ( on a major highway ), instructed me to stand at the front of the car facing forward, while he took my weapon into his possession. He then took it back to his car, came back, and told me to get back in my car. He stated that I was carrying illegal ammo as well. Hydroshocks. He was wrong. The next day, his supervisor called me and told me to come pick up my ammo at the station, and that the officer was being repremanded and trained on how to deal with the same situation in the future.

You have to remember, some of these officers are 21 years old. Rookies, wet behind the ears. They don't know ALL the laws...and honestly, who does?

VSP-968 RIP

Orcguy

press1280

Agreed, they may not know the laws but can't they ask their supervisors or HQ if they're not sure?
This incident,if accurate, makes it seem like these cops were just trying to cover their rear ends instead of doing the right thing and cutting the guy loose immediately.

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SIXTO

Not really... there isnt time to do that if there is a threat, be it real or perceived.

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DaveH

"There isn't time to do that" before the felony stop

"There isn't time to do that" before the False Arrest

Again speaking about the scenario as presented. Still waiting of Lt. O'Conner's report on actual incident.

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rljohns

Seems like there is plenty time to sort out the offenses after the "suspect" is handcuffed and the supervisor is on the scene. I think the attitude of let's just arrest every citizen we drive by and let the courts figure out if they committed a crime is not the US way. That sounds like Red China, the former USSR, or Cuba. We have a Writ of Habeas Corpus for a reason.

I totally understand the perceived threat at the moment, but once subdued and the moment is over, the officer needs to use some common sense. As the OP noted this was a very long, botched arrest with zero grounds.

Rob99VMI04

On another note I've heard of VSP securing indiduals guns and running the serial number to check if they where stolen, I also am pretty sure that an officer can secure your gun if he feels for his own personal Safety. This happend to a buddy of mine in Warren County where the officer secured his HK USP. My budy was waiting buy the back of car listening to the slide go back and forth 15 times, and heard his ammo bounce all over his car. He asked the officer if he needed any help, since the officer could not find the magazine release.

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To be effective in carrying a gun for self defense requires 3 things a #1 positive- aware-mindset, #2 good training #3 good equipment. Equating this to numbers shows us that if you lack one of these=ZERO times anything is STILL ZERO!-4th grade Math

"When seconds count.....Cops Respond in Minutes"

SIXTO

Agreed 100% but in todays world, once someone is in handcuffs it hard to "unarrest" them. This is a proper way to do things, is my point and clearly this went wrong on the officers part, and only time will tell if the citizen had a fault too.

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