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Old June 28th, 2008, 02:25 PM   #11
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May Issue Tips is a site you may find helpful if you substitute "New Jersey" for "California". Salient points include doing the "Letter of Need" one time and one time only and doing it right by avoiding any mention of constitutional right or any other rebellious ideas. It advises your consideration of who will be examining your application and how to prepare for your interview (if they do that in Jersey). Hope this really helps.
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Old June 28th, 2008, 02:52 PM   #12
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In case you seek a lawyer at some point, Evan F. Nappen (his website here) is the premier gun law attorney in NJ having written several books on the subject ( example here )

I moved out of NJ several years ago for many reasons. The 'Nanny State' BS is just one of them.
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Old June 28th, 2008, 04:00 PM   #13
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I hope this goes your way. If it did, I'd be riding your coattails. I live right across the border in PA and sometimes travel to NJ for work.

I know it is controversial, but how about a Freedom of Information request to get the names of current CCW holders. I would bet the list would be populated with relatives of politicians and law enforcement.
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Old June 28th, 2008, 04:47 PM   #14
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Document everything.

Times, dates, places, and if possible names.

Put this info into a folder that is easily retrievable, and make hard copies.

Make it easy on yourself and prepare a legal case before you even think you need it.

Document everything.

I have no faith that the recent Supreme Court decision will have any affect at all in N.J, therefore expecting to be issued a permit because of such is a bit unrealistic. I could be wrong, but it is N.J. The people there will only care about you when you draw blood. Until then,you're just another face.

And don't forget,
Document everything.
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Old June 28th, 2008, 05:41 PM   #15
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Remember - the Heller case has absolutely nothing to do with carrying a ready-to-use weapon outside of your own property. Heller himself wasn't asking for that ability, and Scalia in no way indicates that his opinion has a whit to do with concealed carry (or open carry for that matter). The licensing procedure in question was in regards to a license to own or possess a gun.

While I am of course sympathetic to your plight, and believe wholeheartedly that the whole reason for having a "may issue" law is to allow the handing out of permits to be "arbitrary & capricious", I wouldn't put too much hope in the idea that the Heller case will help you much (i.e. at all) in your permit process.

Now, I still think you should be as creative & aggressive as possible (while never lying of course) in your statement of "need". And, if you are willing to pursue this beyond what is likely to be a denial, then I would suggest that you contact an attorney before making the application. If you are willing to be a test case, you may be able to find a group that is willing to finance the costs if you are willing to do it their way.

Heck, try contacting Alan Gura (Heller's attorney). He probably won't help you himself, but he may have recommendations regarding who to call. Just a thought...

Good luck!
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Old June 28th, 2008, 09:09 PM   #16
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OK, I'm going to apply for NJ CHL. Yes, I know it's almost impossible,yada,yada,yada.
This will be a "chronicle," of the process and I will post what happens during the whole ordeal.
The form is actually quite simple, except for the "Letter of Need."
I need folks input as how to pursue this. I've thought of several avenues:
I've actually heard what works is "For all legal purposes"

Either way good luck, I'll go play the lottery if you get it.
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Old June 28th, 2008, 09:42 PM   #17
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Good luck with that. I stand to make a lot of cheese if concealed carry opens up in NJ. If you go the attorney route Evan Nappen is the one to consult.
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Old June 28th, 2008, 10:00 PM   #18
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Sorry, but it's not gonna happen in NJ. I used to run a business in Elizabeth with a warehouse in the same neighborhood as the Illegal Alien Detention Center. While it was okay for me to keep a handgun on premises, the cops told me there was no way to get a permit to carry outside the building or while responding to the burglar alarms even they wouldn't respond to at night. I looked into getting a carry permit and found out that even judges can't get one unless they've received a 'credible threat' against their lives. OTOH, I know a guy who owns a couple of businesses, one of which he incorporated as a security guard company, and he was able to get a carry permit. I'm sure he had a lot of hoops to jump through to do so, but he has lawyers to do that stuff for him. I don't know if he has any actual security guard employees, but he does have a NJ carry permit. Please keep us up to date on your quest.
BTW, received my Florida non-resident permit today. It took only 6 weeks. At least I'll be legal in DE, PA & OH when I visit there.
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Old June 28th, 2008, 11:13 PM   #19
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Even if it was possible (I don't think it is), NJ would be a really tough place to carry. God forbid you print or get made, or get pulled over for something and they find out you carry. I imagine NJ LEOs would be all over you treating you like a criminal. Still, I'd love to have a NJ CWL. It'd make me feel better when visiting family up there.
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In case you seek a lawyer at some point, Evan F. Nappen (his website here) is the premier gun law attorney in NJ having written several books on the subject ( example here )

I moved out of NJ several years ago for many reasons. The 'Nanny State' BS is just one of them.
I'd recommend against Evan Nappen. He was totally unresponsive when I was a NJ resident and reached out to him.
I found 2 very nice lawyers from the NRA. I forget their names, but one was from Mt. Holly and the other from Millville, I believe.
After over-the-top intensive effort and way too much expense (I'm embarrassed to say how much) I concluded that New Jersey isn't worth it and moved to PA. Could not possibly be happier.
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