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Danger Mouse · June 30th, 2008, 11:03 PM

It was probably more my fault as I was carrying my full size HK and not the Glock 30. My tee shirts have a tendancy to ride upwards and gets caught on the grip. The Glock being so stream line does not do that to me. So it probably was the way it was seen. The law here in VA says its ok to open or conceal (With permit) but does not specify fully open or fully concealed. My thinking was that when he saw it according to VA law "The true nature of the weapon was hidden", thats probably why he asked.

Natureboypkr · June 30th, 2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

It was probably more my fault as I was carrying my full size HK and not the Glock 30. My tee shirts have a tendancy to ride upwards and gets caught on the grip. The Glock being so stream line does not do that to me. So it probably was the way it was seen. The law here in VA says its ok to open or conceal (With permit) but does not specify fully open or fully concealed. My thinking was that when he saw it according to VA law "The true nature of the weapon was hidden", thats probably why he asked.

What's most important is that you did not have a bad encounter with that LEO.

Black Knight · June 30th, 2008, 11:09 PM

There was a case in the Richmond-Henrico area that clarified the open carry deal. A police officer arrested a guy for carrying a concealed weapon even though a third of the holster was clearly visible. In court the officer was asked how he knew the guy was carrying a gun. The officer stated that he saw it. The judge told the officer since he saw it, it was not concealed. In essence if any part of the gun is visible to common observation and can be recognized it is not concealed. Most here already know that Wal-Mart's no gun policy only applies to employees and as far as customers go they tend to go with the prevailing state law.

Juggernaut · June 30th, 2008, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Knight

There was a case in the Richmond-Henrico area that clarified the open carry deal. A police officer arrested a guy for carrying a concealed weapon even though a third of the holster was clearly visible. In court the officer was asked how he knew the guy was carrying a gun. The officer stated that he saw it. The judge told the officer since he saw it, it was not concealed. In essence if any part of the gun is visible to common observation and can be recognized it is not concealed. Most here already know that Wal-Mart's no gun policy only applies to employees and as far as customers go they tend to go with the prevailing state law.

That's what I was thinking of, but didn't have the docket number for it as a reference and didn't want to post something erroneous.

retsupt99 · July 1st, 2008, 12:21 AM

So Danger Mouse, what did you do?

ccman · July 1st, 2008, 12:48 AM

Danger Mouse finish the story, don't let us hanging. We are waiting on the rest of the story.

matt8185 · July 1st, 2008, 02:43 AM

Could be that the officer was confused thinking that the 'no guns policy' was not just for employees. It is also possible that he was reacting to the fact that it was visible. Walmart requires that permit carriers carry concealed at all times in the store. If the weapon becomes visible they will either ask you to cover it up, or possibly ask you to leave. Its possible the officer saw the grip of the USP and thought there might be an issue since it was not fully concealed.

Here is a letter regarding Walmart's policy on CCW:

DATE: Friday, April 16,1999 2:13 PM

Subject: RE: Firearms

Thank you for contacting Wal-Mart regarding our concealed handgun policy. Wal-Mart was founded by Sam Walton on three basic principles. Strive for Excellence, Service to our Customers, and Respect for the Individual. It is that respect for the individual that led us to create the current policy pertaining to concealed handguns.

The following is our policy......If a Wal-Mart customer has been awarded a concealed handgun license by the state government, Wal-Mart will follow the direction of the state. However, if at anytime while on Wal-Mart property, that customer's concealed weapon becomes visible to Wal-Mart associates or customers, Wal-Mart reserves the right to ask the customer to either reposition the weapon so that it will not be visible, to remove the weapon completely or to leave Wal-Mart property, With the exception of law enforcement personnel, Wal-Mart does not allow any exposed weapons to be worn or carried in public view on Wal-Mart property or in Wal-Mart stores. Customers other than law enforcement personnel wearing or carrying a weapon in an exposed manner will be asked to leave the property immediately.

We appreciate your concern and trust that this message has addressed your concerns regarding this issue.

Thank you,

Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.

Who really knows for sure what the officer was thinking...

Any more info Danger Mouse?

Matt

taggart · July 1st, 2008, 12:00 PM

Will Danger Mouse's encounter come to a peaceful end?
Will the officer in question do his homework?
Will Danger Mouse ever find the nachos he so desperately seeks?

Tune in next time...Same Mouse-time...same Mouse-channel.

tinkerinWstuff · July 1st, 2008, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taggart

Will Danger Mouse's encounter come to a peaceful end?
Will the officer in question do his homework?
Will Danger Mouse ever find the nachos he so desperately seeks?

Tune in next time...Same Mouse-time...same Mouse-channel.

retsupt99 · July 1st, 2008, 02:55 PM

OK folks, put on your 'ear hats' and let's sing together...then maybe he'll answer!

D, A, N..................G, E, R.....

M, O, U, S, E...

Danger Mouse...Danger Mouse,

Come on Danger, what happened?

Stay armed...sing a lot...stay safe!

June 30th, 2008, 11:03 PM	#11
Danger Mouse Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cumberland, VA Posts: 361	It was probably more my fault as I was carrying my full size HK and not the Glock 30. My tee shirts have a tendancy to ride upwards and gets caught on the grip. The Glock being so stream line does not do that to me. So it probably was the way it was seen. The law here in VA says its ok to open or conceal (With permit) but does not specify fully open or fully concealed. My thinking was that when he saw it according to VA law "The true nature of the weapon was hidden", thats probably why he asked. __________________ Think twice Buy once!

July 1st, 2008, 12:21 AM	#15
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 14,593	So Danger Mouse, what did you do? __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

July 1st, 2008, 12:48 AM	#16
ccman Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: CT,USA. Posts: 561	Danger Mouse finish the story, don't let us hanging. We are waiting on the rest of the story. Last edited by ccman; July 1st, 2008 at 09:33 AM. Reason: spelling

July 1st, 2008, 02:43 AM	#17
matt8185 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Spring Hill, TN Posts: 76	Could be that the officer was confused thinking that the 'no guns policy' was not just for employees. It is also possible that he was reacting to the fact that it was visible. Walmart requires that permit carriers carry concealed at all times in the store. If the weapon becomes visible they will either ask you to cover it up, or possibly ask you to leave. Its possible the officer saw the grip of the USP and thought there might be an issue since it was not fully concealed. Here is a letter regarding Walmart's policy on CCW: DATE: Friday, April 16,1999 2:13 PM Subject: RE: Firearms Thank you for contacting Wal-Mart regarding our concealed handgun policy. Wal-Mart was founded by Sam Walton on three basic principles. Strive for Excellence, Service to our Customers, and Respect for the Individual. It is that respect for the individual that led us to create the current policy pertaining to concealed handguns. The following is our policy......If a Wal-Mart customer has been awarded a concealed handgun license by the state government, Wal-Mart will follow the direction of the state. However, if at anytime while on Wal-Mart property, that customer's concealed weapon becomes visible to Wal-Mart associates or customers, Wal-Mart reserves the right to ask the customer to either reposition the weapon so that it will not be visible, to remove the weapon completely or to leave Wal-Mart property, With the exception of law enforcement personnel, Wal-Mart does not allow any exposed weapons to be worn or carried in public view on Wal-Mart property or in Wal-Mart stores. Customers other than law enforcement personnel wearing or carrying a weapon in an exposed manner will be asked to leave the property immediately. We appreciate your concern and trust that this message has addressed your concerns regarding this issue. Thank you, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. Who really knows for sure what the officer was thinking... Any more info Danger Mouse? Matt __________________ ----------------------- -SW1911 -Sig P229 -M&P 40c -Glock 30 SF

July 1st, 2008, 12:00 PM	#18
taggart Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Isle of Lucy Posts: 197	Will Danger Mouse's encounter come to a peaceful end? Will the officer in question do his homework? Will Danger Mouse ever find the nachos he so desperately seeks? Tune in next time...Same Mouse-time...same Mouse-channel. __________________ Taggart Snyder Man about town...

June 30th, 2008, 11:09 PM	#13
Black Knight Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 354	There was a case in the Richmond-Henrico area that clarified the open carry deal. A police officer arrested a guy for carrying a concealed weapon even though a third of the holster was clearly visible. In court the officer was asked how he knew the guy was carrying a gun. The officer stated that he saw it. The judge told the officer since he saw it, it was not concealed. In essence if any part of the gun is visible to common observation and can be recognized it is not concealed. Most here already know that Wal-Mart's no gun policy only applies to employees and as far as customers go they tend to go with the prevailing state law.

July 1st, 2008, 02:55 PM	#20
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 14,593	OK folks, put on your 'ear hats' and let's sing together...then maybe he'll answer! D, A, N..................G, E, R..... M, O, U, S, E... Danger Mouse...Danger Mouse, Come on Danger, what happened? Stay armed...sing a lot...stay safe! __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

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