WalMart

Danger Mouse · June 30th, 2008, 10:34 PM

No, this is not one of those silly "I got my permit so I just got to go to WalMart" didies. I was going inside when I heard someone say "Can I speak to you a moment partner?" I turned to see an officer aproach me. He asked if I had a conceal weapon permit (My USP was inside my pants with the but out in sight) i showed him and he said the reason was WalMart had a no gun policy. I told him that was news to me as I never saw a sign on the door. Here in VA I never had a problem with them. I think because it was the way I was carrying it is why he asked and used WalMart as an excuse

Natureboypkr · June 30th, 2008, 10:36 PM

My best guess is he didn't want you to cause any kinds of problems with the other customers. If another customer would have seen you pistol sticking out they probably would have freaked out.

Ram Rod · June 30th, 2008, 10:37 PM

luvmyglock · June 30th, 2008, 10:38 PM

Danger,
I believe that IWB and open carry (the combination thereof) have been an interesting topic, open to debate and interpretation among these forums for quite some time now. I personally believe that since in most jurisdictions the weapon must be "fully visible", IWB is a no-go with open carry. This is only my *personal* opinion, and once again laws in your jurisdiction could be worded differently. If you didn't end up behind bars, then I would say he knew what you were doing was legal.

VAisforlovers · June 30th, 2008, 10:40 PM

Where were you in Virginia? I was told by a FFXC officer that if you have a permit, it needs to either be completley conceald or completely in view when carrying. I'm pretty sure thats not written down anywhere but the whole gun in my pants with the butt sticking out seems kind of gang bangerish to me. No offense intended, just speculating.

Natureboypkr · June 30th, 2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by VAisforlovers

Where were you in Virginia? I was told by a FFXC officer that if you have a permit, it needs to either be completley conceald or completely in view when carrying. I'm pretty sure thats not written down anywhere but the whole gun in my pants with the butt sticking out seems kind of gang bangerish to me. No offense intended, just speculating.

From reading his story I don't think he was aware that the butt of his gun was sticking out.

Juggernaut · June 30th, 2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by luvmyglock

Danger,
I believe that IWB and open carry (the combination thereof) have been an interesting topic, open to debate and interpretation among these forums for quite some time now. I personally believe that since in most jurisdictions the weapon must be "fully visible", IWB is a no-go with open carry. This is only my *personal* opinion, and once again laws in your jurisdiction could be worded differently. If you didn't end up behind bars, then I would say he knew what you were doing was legal.

Virginia law only states "open to common observation". Most take that to mean if any part is visible that it can be identified as a handgun, it is open carry.
Virginia State Police

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Originally Posted by VSP

A weapon shall be deemed to be hidden from common observation when it is observable but is of such deceptive appearance as to disguise the weapon's true nature.

My thoughts are the officer should not have asked you for a permit if you were openly carrying. They also echo Natureboy's sentiments. He probably was nipping a problem in the bud, but you shouldn't be deterred from OC if that's your thing.

luvmyglock · June 30th, 2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Juggernaut

Virginia law only states "open to common observation". Most take that to mean if any part is visible that it can be identified as a handgun, it is open carry.
Virginia State Police

My thoughts are the officer should not have asked you for a permit if you were openly carrying. They also echo Natureboy's sentiments. He probably was nipping a problem in the bud, but you shouldn't be deterred from OC if that's your thing.

Good post. I agree. If it is your thing, and it is legal then who is he to discourage you. The constitution DOES prohibit the government from discouraging you from exercising you civil rights.

VAisforlovers · June 30th, 2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Natureboypkr

From reading his story I don't think he was aware that the butt of his gun was sticking out.

It doesnt matter because it's not illegal either way. Wasn't questioning the guys character, just saying what I presume the officer assumed.

Natureboypkr · June 30th, 2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VAisforlovers

It doesnt matter because it's not illegal either way. Wasn't questioning the guys character, just saying what I presume the officer assumed.

You should have said that in the first place then.

June 30th, 2008, 10:34 PM	#1
Danger Mouse Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cumberland, VA Posts: 361	WalMart No, this is not one of those silly "I got my permit so I just got to go to WalMart" didies. I was going inside when I heard someone say "Can I speak to you a moment partner?" I turned to see an officer aproach me. He asked if I had a conceal weapon permit (My USP was inside my pants with the but out in sight) i showed him and he said the reason was WalMart had a no gun policy. I told him that was news to me as I never saw a sign on the door. Here in VA I never had a problem with them. I think because it was the way I was carrying it is why he asked and used WalMart as an excuse __________________ Think twice Buy once!

June 30th, 2008, 10:36 PM	#2
Natureboypkr Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina Posts: 655	My best guess is he didn't want you to cause any kinds of problems with the other customers. If another customer would have seen you pistol sticking out they probably would have freaked out. __________________ V.P. of The Concealed Carrying Boys USMC.....helping enemies of America die for their countries since 1775

June 30th, 2008, 10:37 PM	#3
Ram Rod VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: crawford county, arkansas Posts: 4,974	__________________ RamRod-----sans remords

June 30th, 2008, 10:38 PM	#4
luvmyglock Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 568	Danger, I believe that IWB and open carry (the combination thereof) have been an interesting topic, open to debate and interpretation among these forums for quite some time now. I personally believe that since in most jurisdictions the weapon must be "fully visible", IWB is a no-go with open carry. This is only my personal opinion, and once again laws in your jurisdiction could be worded differently. If you didn't end up behind bars, then I would say he knew what you were doing was legal. __________________ EVIL PREVAILS WHEN GOOD MEN FAIL TO ACT.

June 30th, 2008, 10:40 PM	#5
VAisforlovers New Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NC/VA Posts: 7	Where were you in Virginia? I was told by a FFXC officer that if you have a permit, it needs to either be completley conceald or completely in view when carrying. I'm pretty sure thats not written down anywhere but the whole gun in my pants with the butt sticking out seems kind of gang bangerish to me. No offense intended, just speculating. __________________ The second amendment isn't about hunting deer, it's about hunting politicians.

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