Had to display my gun to daughter and friends: EDITED - Page 3

Ram Rod · July 8th, 2008, 01:45 PM

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The male didn't say a word

At least you know who'll been looking in the center console from now on.

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Ok my daughter is 20 and had two friends staying for a week. They all wanted to ride in the mustang to go out to dinner. They all piled in (not easy to get in and out from the back), I got in and then realized that my spare gun was in the middle console (I occasionally do leave my backup in my car that is in the garage and locked). Knowing that i was going to be drinking a couple i wanted to get it out. So I told them sorry if you don't like guns but i have to remove one so we can go play in the mustang.

Now considering on of the "friends" likes my daughter and it is a guy, there may have been some benefit to doing this :), but none the less it was the first time i have had to show, display or anything since CCW

I am sure i will get hit about leaving gun in the car, but frankly with the garage locked, the car locked, the console locked and with the house and car alarm active this is probably the least accessible gun i have.
Of course my daughter gave me the "look" the female friend said i was just like her dad (I feel old). The male didn't say a word

So-----do they know you have a permit or just that you carry a gun around?
A gun that's not on you or in your hand is an unsecured gun.

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I bet if you really wanted to find a way, you could have taken it out and put it away with no one knowing.

My thinking as well.

tinkerinWstuff · July 8th, 2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GOPony

Off topic, but i still beleive it is going to take a CCW holder to be denied his right to carry at a place of work or school and that person being killed by a BG and then law suits to take place before schools and business realize that unless they can protect their employees/students then they run the risk of law suits if something happens

Most states who's laws I've read specifically have protection for those who'd face lawsuit under the circumstances in which you specified above. Remember, this also works both ways. i.e. in my state of CO 18-12-215 (2) gives immunity to those issuing or denying permits from liable for damages that may result

Cthulhu · July 8th, 2008, 01:48 PM

Just my two yen, but: you're not doing anything wrong, you're legal, and you're taking care of something to make sure you STAY legal. Just handle it as you normally would. If they have questions, answer them. Otherwise, on with the show.

-JT

Bark'n · July 8th, 2008, 01:48 PM

Don't get me wrong either... I do on occasions go out in public without my gun. I do from time to time go out to a club with friends and intend to drink more than one or two beers. We always have a designated driver and won't bring my gun with me.

I'm not one who feels that without my gun, I am unarmed. I most certainly know how to defend myself without the use of a firearm.

mslaughtertx · July 8th, 2008, 02:05 PM

No criticism from me. I feel that you did the best you could in the situation, being you did not have towels, extra shirt, or etc. Immediate family knows that I carry everywhere, so it is probably a good idea that your daughter know. This helps to keep them aware if something happens, it does not catch them off guard and it was part of the plan that we have in place for SHTF scenerios.

boss mustang · July 8th, 2008, 02:06 PM

Love my 07! Had an 04 in Competition Orange. I really like the Grabber orange.

ON TOPIC- I sometimes carry in the console, but never leave it there when I get home.

Reborn · July 8th, 2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by youngda9

That would have been a great time to ask the "what are your intentions with my daughter?" question to him.

With a little planning in advance you could have snuck into the garage and taken care of this probably. Oh well. You're legal.

Did your daughter know you carry prior to this? Was their any following discussion after the friends left?

I remember looking down the barrel of a shotgun as a father told me not to be late getting his daughter home. I was about 30 minutes early.

dukalmighty · July 8th, 2008, 03:19 PM

Almost all my carry guns can fit in the palm of my hand ,I'm sure in the future without saying a word you could reach in the console and palm the gun then go put it up without anybody in the back being any the wiser,as soon as you say whoops I gotta put my gun up every eyeball in the car is looking where your hands are going.The question is were you really just putting your gun up or like showing off your car ,showing off your gun.

Hopyard · July 8th, 2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dukalmighty

Almost all my carry guns can fit in the palm of my hand ,I'm sure in the future without saying a word you could reach in the console and palm the gun then go put it up without anybody in the back being any the wiser,as soon as you say whoops I gotta put my gun up every eyeball in the car is looking where your hands are going.The question is were you really just putting your gun up or like showing off your car ,showing off your gun.

I had kinda wondered the same thing. But, giving the o.p. the benefit of the doubt, what he did was concerning because the gun was being displayed---albeit amongst friends who won't phone in a complaint.

GOPony · July 8th, 2008, 03:39 PM

i was not showing off the gun. My daughter knows i carry and that i keep my back up in the car it wasn't her i was trying to avoid. My purpose for saying something was that they had already gotten in the car (my daughter was in the back with the "boy") and her friend was in the passenger seat. Even a towel or other cover would have put them on alert and frankly i was trying to put them at ease by telling them what i was doing as that small of a car with that many people i doubt i could have palmed it without one of them seeing it. You never know how people will react. My intent for taking it out was exactly the reason i stated about dinner and drinks not showing it off. the whole reason i posted was because i try to avoid anyone other than immediate family from knowing that i carry and the fact i showed it bothered me a little bit. Obviously if i was totally concerned about it, i would have had then get out of the car go back in the house into her room as i had to take it from the car to the gun safe. I don't agree about the only way to secure a gun is if it is on you or in your hand, otherwise i would only own one gun and i have a several more than one :). It was actually when i took the key to unlock the console (i have a lock on it only due to the gun) that caught their attention. I am sure if both the friends where in the back i could have probably did it without them knowing but since one was in the front, there was no real chance.

I should have been able to avoid the situation by preparing a little bit, but frankly I was planning on taking the truck, but they talked me into taking the mustang. I just didn't think far enough ahead. Actually the only reason they were in the car before me was because i went to take off my carry gun and lock it up while they got in the car.

July 8th, 2008, 01:48 PM	#24
Bark'n VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 4,297	Don't get me wrong either... I do on occasions go out in public without my gun. I do from time to time go out to a club with friends and intend to drink more than one or two beers. We always have a designated driver and won't bring my gun with me. I'm not one who feels that without my gun, I am unarmed. I most certainly know how to defend myself without the use of a firearm. __________________ -Bark'n Semper Fi "The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, will prey on those of us who without one, would surely perish."

July 8th, 2008, 03:19 PM	#28
dukalmighty VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: texas Posts: 6,380	Almost all my carry guns can fit in the palm of my hand ,I'm sure in the future without saying a word you could reach in the console and palm the gun then go put it up without anybody in the back being any the wiser,as soon as you say whoops I gotta put my gun up every eyeball in the car is looking where your hands are going.The question is were you really just putting your gun up or like showing off your car ,showing off your gun. __________________ I like Poetry,Long Walks On The Beach,And Poking Dead Things With A Stick

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July 8th, 2008, 01:48 PM	#23
Cthulhu Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brevard County, FL Posts: 1,141	Just my two yen, but: you're not doing anything wrong, you're legal, and you're taking care of something to make sure you STAY legal. Just handle it as you normally would. If they have questions, answer them. Otherwise, on with the show. -JT

July 8th, 2008, 02:05 PM	#25
mslaughtertx Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: At Work Posts: 345	No criticism from me. I feel that you did the best you could in the situation, being you did not have towels, extra shirt, or etc. Immediate family knows that I carry everywhere, so it is probably a good idea that your daughter know. This helps to keep them aware if something happens, it does not catch them off guard and it was part of the plan that we have in place for SHTF scenerios.

July 8th, 2008, 02:06 PM	#26
boss mustang Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 60	Love my 07! Had an 04 in Competition Orange. I really like the Grabber orange. ON TOPIC- I sometimes carry in the console, but never leave it there when I get home.

July 8th, 2008, 03:39 PM	#30
GOPony Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 82	i was not showing off the gun. My daughter knows i carry and that i keep my back up in the car it wasn't her i was trying to avoid. My purpose for saying something was that they had already gotten in the car (my daughter was in the back with the "boy") and her friend was in the passenger seat. Even a towel or other cover would have put them on alert and frankly i was trying to put them at ease by telling them what i was doing as that small of a car with that many people i doubt i could have palmed it without one of them seeing it. You never know how people will react. My intent for taking it out was exactly the reason i stated about dinner and drinks not showing it off. the whole reason i posted was because i try to avoid anyone other than immediate family from knowing that i carry and the fact i showed it bothered me a little bit. Obviously if i was totally concerned about it, i would have had then get out of the car go back in the house into her room as i had to take it from the car to the gun safe. I don't agree about the only way to secure a gun is if it is on you or in your hand, otherwise i would only own one gun and i have a several more than one :). It was actually when i took the key to unlock the console (i have a lock on it only due to the gun) that caught their attention. I am sure if both the friends where in the back i could have probably did it without them knowing but since one was in the front, there was no real chance. I should have been able to avoid the situation by preparing a little bit, but frankly I was planning on taking the truck, but they talked me into taking the mustang. I just didn't think far enough ahead. Actually the only reason they were in the car before me was because i went to take off my carry gun and lock it up while they got in the car.