Originally Posted by gextyr

Actually, there is already a bill that does this, and it has 96 co-sponsors in the House, and 31 co-sponsors in the Senate (SB338).

Has your congressman signed on? If not, you might want to ask 'em.

I just asked my Representative. His counsel replied that he supports the law, but apparently forgot to sign on as a co-sponsor.

Right now the law is pretty much dead in the Judiciary Committee in the House (probably the same situation in the Senate.) Might be a good idea to ask your representative why they haven't pushed for more action.

Originally Posted by LongRider

More to the point states do not have the right to override the Constitution. All gun control laws by definition violate the Constitution. State sovereignty does not over ride the Constitution


Enemies by definition need to destroyed exterminated or otherwise eliminated so you are right. Enemy is a bit strong rather government is a necessary evil. Evil is the correct operative word. Like rats, government needs to be kept in check and under control lest we be over run by political and bureaucratic rodents


Most all states gun control laws are in violation of the US Constitution and in most cases their own State Constitution. Any law that requires certification, qualification, registration or other wise requires permit i.e. permission to exercise a God given right is infringing upon that right
Reciprocity exists within the Constitution simply abolish any law that infringes on any American citizen right to bear arms


Of course it is hard to argue against something that is right. My argument is the same as our fore fathers, they were way smarter than me


Why? Is it the weapon or what they do with the weapon that is the problem? We can not, should not enact laws infringing upon our liberties so that a few may "feel" better. Do you know of any gun control law, policy or procedure that has ever kept a gun out of a determined felons or whack jobs hands? There isn't any. Not one single gun control law has ever effectively kept a gun out of a felons or whackos hands. Not once, not ever. What those laws have done is get innocent men woman and children rapped robbed and murdered. Gun control laws all gun control laws aid felons by rendering their victims defenseless. We have laws against abusing guns those laws need to be strengthened and enforced. For all I care let felons have guns they too have a God* given right to defend their lives as pathetic as those lives may be. Increase the penalty for crimes committed with weapons, create non negotiable mandatory minimum sentences for crimes committed with weapons. Strengthen "Castle Doctrine" laws. Punish the criminal not the citizen. Preemptive laws are unconstitutional we can't penalize people for what they might do. We all know that gun control laws have zero effect on keeping guns out of the hands of the insane and criminals. Do those ineffective laws really make you feel better? Even though people are being killed because of them? Is feeling better worth people being butchered?


I have a pet peeve with this analogy sorry not meant to insult you just identifying my pet peeve here. It is one the Brady Bunch uses, Driving is NOT a God* given right. God* did not give anyone the right to drive. Driving is a privilege not a right. God* DID give us life and the right to defend that life. Our Constitution does not uphold the right to drive or have a means of transportation. The Constitution DOES protect our right to live and our right to defend our lives. On the rest I will agree with you, as it agrees with what I just said penalize the misdeed. Punish those who abuse their right to bear arms. I am all for revoking the right to suck air from those whose abuse of guns or any weapon takes the life of another. I'm even up for tit for tat corporal punishment for crimes that harm others i.e. an eye for an eye and arm for an arm. But I will always be opposed to restricting the rights of anyone because of what they might do. Especially when the restriction has proven to aid in the injury and death of the very people it claims to protect

There already is national reciprocity its called the Constitution. Simply abolish all unconstitutional gun control laws that require any sort of permit qualification registration or certification. Why don't we use what is proven to work why not go with what Vermont has proven reduces violent crime. No gun control nation wide

* God or Natural Law which ever works with your set of beliefs.

Originally Posted by press1280

One of the big stumbling blocks with the "may issue," states is the so called,"letter of need." Do away with that and you have shall issue in all states except IL,WI, and DC.
If someone can take a case up high enough and a Fed court rule the system of may issue is inherently unfair(and unconstitutional), this would at least keep it on the state level, although not perfect, probably better than a Fed-issued permit which could be snatched back at any time.

Originally Posted by Zach Riggs

I like the thought, infact I had this discussion with someone last night. We were talking about how a river seperates parts of Ohio and KY and you cross that and your in another state, but can't carry your gun in OH. Its a ridiculous thing b/c parts of OH are pretty bad. My arguement was how stupid is it that people are issued a liscense in KY at 16. They are then allowed to operate a two ton weapon in OH or KY or any other state. Yet an individual who has passes a qualification with a gun can't carry it concealed. Yet at the same time, you have to think back to when the states were actually created. States are obviously regulated and grandfathered by a federal government, but allowed to make their own decisions by a state government. By denying them the choice to deny users to carry concealed weapons in their state, takes away that states government ability to regulate itself. I still think its BS, but at the same time, its why I'm allowed to hunt with a rifle in KY and OH people aren't. You have to give and take a little.

Originally Posted by torontogunguy

Understand that not for one solitary minute can I argue your point; I still believe in practicality and in practical terms I think we (CCW'ers) are better served by a national reciprocity law than having to go through the court system yet again (3-5 years?) every time a state decides other than to recognize another state's permit. Too much like work.... my vote is for a national reciprocity 'recognition'.

NOT that I disagree with you at all. I wish it were so. But it isn't, especially for certain states.

Just my humble feelings.

Originally Posted by LongRider

Oh I see you want to be a realistic about the whole thing I agree that it may appear to be another compromise that looks like it will be a step forward. But keep coming back my belief that asking the federal government to help out is like asking Dr Kevorkian to be your nutritionist. The government may not be my enemy but it is not my friend or ally either.