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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:17 AM   #11
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Now she, along with all the others who work at that store have a very negative opinion of those pro 2nd Amendment folks. And I think, by implication, the rest of us as well.
Which tells me that your daughter and the others, IMO, have not thought about this beyond the direct impact on their income.

"What is it about you gun people?" That, right there, tells me the thinking isn't very deep, at this point.

When a drop in sales occurs at a store, the owners of the store are generally at a complete and utter loss to explain its cause. When someone directly indicates the reason that $800 isn't being spent and all future business is lost, then it's crystal clear (at least for that customer's reasoning). Agreed, that probably a better method would be a NoGuns=NoCash card or speaking directly/only with the manager.

It brings home the reality, doesn't it? The power that a customer has is in one place: the wallet. "Rude," hm? Sounds like a perfectly up-front and reasonable exchange, on a subject (implied threat of loss of future business) that wouldn't be taken well.

Anyway. It is what it is. Someone's putting his money where his mouth is. He states the reasoning. He's lambasted for it. Wouldn't matter if he'd seen gross mistreatment of another customer by an associate, or something else. Rude? I call it wise purchasing.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:18 AM   #12
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Just because someone is pro 2A doesn't mean

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My 26 year old daughter had an unpleasant experience with a rude pro gun guy and his wife yesterday in the store where she works and I thought I would relate to this board what went down and get your opinions on what transpired and your thoughts on what happened.

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What do you all think of the actions of Mr. & Mrs X?
Did they do a good job of defending 2nd Amendment rights?
Would you do the same as they did?
Just because someone is pro 2A does not mean they are wise, smart, cordial, endearing, decent, or anything else. These folks deliberately stole an hour from your daughter to make a political point. They indeed should have spoken to the manager--before playing this game! Or else, gone somewhere else where there is no sign. Or completed the sale and talked to the manager later. They came in to cause trouble, and there is a name for people like that--"trouble makers."

The manager, now that he knows his sign is not in the correct form has a choice. He can take the dang thing down and serve all customers or he can put up a legal sign--for all the good that will do as far as protecting him from thugs.

Meanwhile, that couple was out of line and a poor example of humanity.

I honor those signs if not the silly owners who put them up.

On a variety of issues regarding store policies, don't harass the poor working stiff behind the counter. S/he didn't make the rules, can't change them, and can't do anything about them.

They should have gone to the store manager, owner, or if necessary to corporate headquarters.

(There may also be an element of stalking going on here if indeed you barely know these people, as they deliberately chose to cause trouble in a place where your daughter works. Some folks carry grudges forever. Even from a fender bender.)
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:43 AM   #13
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Yep, trouble makers. There's a fine line between making points and making enemies, and it sounds like these folks haven't learned the difference.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:43 AM   #14
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Well I made a comment on hear a while ago about a paint store that had a posting but wasn't a "legal" posting. Someone from this forum suggested that I make a $5,000 order and then renig because of the sign. That was the most ludicrous idea I ever heard and I think is what Mr & Mrs. X had up their sleeve all along. If the sign isn't legal, ignore it! Discuss it with the management or just don't shop there to begin with. The sign was at the entrance, no?

We need to choose our battles. Sometimes battles can be won at the cost of the war. Think about the daughter's remark: "What's with you gun people?" Secondly, why take the battle to those who are not equipped to negotiate/defend. It is just plain dumb and really ticks me off!

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In certain circumstances, I have been known to do the same thing before. Waste as much time as possible and make sure the purchase gets totaled up, and then change my mind and tell them why.

I figure the money that they see they lost because of their stance makes a much bigger impact than the money they never see they lost because I didn't enter the store in the first place.

And sometimes it works...sometimes the signs come down.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:57 AM   #16
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"" Waste as much time as possible and make sure the purchase gets totaled up, and then change my mind and tell them why.""

IMHO going in with the premeditated plan you describe is just one minor step below theft of service and is not only rude but does not do anything but punish the person or persons on the lowest end of the corporate chain.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:00 AM   #17
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Just don't shop there.. Give the manager a "NO GUNS=NO MONEY" card and stop being a PIA.


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Here's the problem with doing just that simple little thing-the store manager has no idea HOW MUCH they've lost.
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Hopefully, your daughter will relate the incident to management and they'll realize that their policy lost at least one $800 sale.
Now the management KNOWS how much they're losing,and can actually relate lost sales to no guns,and the use of the No Guns=No Money card actually gets the point across with the $$$ of the lost sale right in front of them to drive it home.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:04 AM   #18
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I respectfully do not agree that we are a "fairly large segment of the population". Actually, I believe we are the minority...one of the reasons why it is an uphill education battle. Regardless...I think the buyers had an axe to grind and should of taken their views to the managers...at the beginning. She was just following store policy. I agree with the OP...

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I agree.
Some hurt our cause more than helping by being rude and inconsiderate with those who have no authority.
I do suspect that some here would applaud if it were not one of ours.

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I can see both sides, but harassment it isnt, maybe rude.
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J.....These folks deliberately stole an hour from your daughter to make a political point. They indeed should have spoken to the manager--before playing this game! ......

This is highly unlikely IMO. I can't imagine them intentionally wasting a full hour of time of a store clerk. What purpose could that possibly serve? Now, if they knew it was the store owner (the person responsible for the no-gun sign), then PERHAPS it's a possibility.

The more likely scenario IMO is that the guy had buyer's remorse about paying $800 for 2 pairs of glasses, and used the no-gun sign as an excuse to get out of the sale.

Kinda the same thing happened to me when I visited my eye doctor last year. I was chatting with girl about new glasses and maybe took up 15 minutes of her time, then she hit me with price of $450, and I just about fainted. I stammered a few words and then just left. I went to the local BJ's and bought two pair of glasses for $200 ($100 per pair).

So, with regards to OP comments about rude 2A supporters - I don't think they were rude at all. And the daughter should not stereotype us as such. Being in commission-based sales means you win some and you lose some, that's all there is to it. The more you lose, means the more you win. So, the more negativity you can handle, the more successful you will be. That's why so many people cannot handle that type of job...................

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