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Old September 2nd, 2008, 12:10 PM   #31
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""The loss of that $800 sale is insignificant to the people they are trying to make their point to.""

So true. An $800 dollar loss to a large chain, whose quarterly figures are in the millions or even billions, has as much significance to that company's CEO as a single crumb on his plate when the toast is gone.

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Old September 2nd, 2008, 12:23 PM   #32
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Gotta agree w/ Boscobeans here

These people were NOT 2A supporters! They were simply jerks. If you feel that strongly about gun rights, why go into the store at all after you've sen the sign? And if you DO go in, why would you not ask to speak to a responsible person (owner, manager, etc.) right up front?
This guys is just a putz who was yanking the girl's chain because he could. And I'd wager that if the salesperson appeared to be physically capable of picking him up & tossing him out the door, he'd have behaved differently.
Also, leave your personal psychobabble BS @ home. Unless you're real close to my Dad, you aren't gonna know him better than I....
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 12:38 PM   #33
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I don't know if rude is the right word for this couple but [Edited] is. If they saw the sign when they walked in, which evidently they did, and said nothing for an hour then complained about it they are the exact type that gives antis a bad tast for gun owners.

What ever their reasoning was they were pure donkeys about it and did nothing to promote 2A. If they had made their point before wasting an hour of the clerk's time then the point would have been made. However they chose to aggravate the clerk and possibly management by what they did. If I were a store owner and someone did that I would tell them I appreciate you thought but don't come back. While I am wasting my time on your protest I could be taking care of my other customers. Think if you were a real estate agent and rode a couple all over town for a whole weekend. After you showed them 10 houses they said "Thank you, we're not planning on buying rather we just like to look at new houses".

If they had said that we are not ready to buy or something similar then that is one thing but to place the blame for a no guns sign on a clerk does nothing to promote 2A. I think the manager should put a legal sign up and the next time he walks in then have his butt arrested.

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Old September 2nd, 2008, 01:18 PM   #34
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I have seen people here (and on other gun forums) advocate just exactly this tactic. I don't agree with it.

I do believe Mr and Mrs X should have or certainly could have told whomever was there (Daughter) that they were leaving and why but should have done so immediately since they saw the sign and had made up their minds already not to do business there. I would think that even entering should have been avoided. But if one wanted to make it known He/She would ask for the manager. And if He/She was not available then tell the representative (who by default is Managing) why they are leaving.

But this tactic of wasting time and not buying has been advocated here before and some think its helpful. I do not.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 01:22 PM   #35
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I guess I am not following some of the posts on this one.

The sign was on the outside of the building. They had to see it on the way in. It wasn't on the cash register when the sale was nearly complete.

Most shops have the price of the frames on them in the display, if not they will tell you when you ask, what is the price of this one. They will also tell you how much the lenses are for those frames. So sticker shock should not be an issue when it is time to pay. Do you all go and get the paperwork filled out for your gun purchases without knowing the price. I think not.

Why would they have brought up the girls father, the OP, if they weren't trying to make a specific point on the matter. Then tell her that they would think about the purchase and let her know, (did she hear back from them, I doubt it) after she offered that they talk to the manager who wasn't there that day about the policy.

I understand why the daughter went to the OP's house after work that day. He is pro gun, she is trying to understand their mindset. If they people would have been dressed in all black with dark makeup, or whatever she probably would be asking someone she knew that was goth what was wrong with them.

They did nothing to support the 2A or change the OP's daughters mind about carrying, they did nothing to change the store policy, since they weren't willing to contact a person capable of changing the policy. They probably did, laugh all the way home and feel good about acting like 7th graders.

I am glad some of us see it this way.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 01:31 PM   #36
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If they had not already, this is where they stepped over the line.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 01:43 PM   #37
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"David in FL" hit the nose on the head.

It is a shame to waste the sales person's time but now she knows that she lost out on an $800 sale. If Mr. and Mrs. X hadn't come in because of the sign, the seller would not know what he or she is missing out on.

Oh yea, btw: How many glasses was he getting for $800?
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 02:30 PM   #38
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What do you all think ...?
I think your daughter is paying the price of working for someone who does not support the 2nd Amendment, so, boo hoo for her.

She should find another job, not supporting someone who would disarm us and leave us helpless prey.
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They did nothing to support the 2A or change the OP's daughters mind about carrying, they did nothing to change the store policy, since they weren't willing to contact a person capable of changing the policy. They probably did, laugh all the way home and feel good about acting like 7th graders.
That is the big thing, they did nothing to promote 2A but rather turn people away from it. If this is the way gun owners act then keep them out. They did nothing to indicate that they were actually going to buy anything. In fact they just showed that they had not intentions of doing anything but causing trouble especially when they brought her father into it.

If someone really goes to all the trouble of picking out something and waiting until it is rung up to start their protest do you really think they would have bought it if you didn't have the sign?

Take Kerbouchard's tactic of shopping. Was he really going to buy? If the store didn't have the sign he probably wouldn't even have gone in. The store didn't lose a sale just the time of messing with him. It does cost them something but not sales when you use that tatic.
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""She should find another job.""

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