bandit383

Hummm...I guess you are suggesting that every person that works on a government (city, state, nation) establishment, amusement parks, eating and drinking esblishments etc etc should find another job??? This is in my reality check department...

Besides...this particular establishment did NOT "disarm" you and leave you as a "helpless prey"...one just has the choice not to go there.

Wow...

Rick

Kerbouchard

I don't go shopping for fun. If I show up somewhere I have the intention of buying.

My wife and I did do this at a car dealership. We had the pre-approved check in our pocket and had them draw up most of the paperwork before we left. We went next door and bought a new car.(we ended up getting a better deal anyway)

Last time I drove by, the sign was gone.

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dmorris68

I agree with the notion of protest but not how it was carried out. If they saw the sign coming in, that's when it should have become an issue. If they're really that passionate about it, then don't need an hour selecting frames to "stew" over it. Their mind is made up. Now my other thought was they could have been on the fence, but then just didn't like his daughter's response about keeping thugs with guns out. She was making light of his question, probably thinking quick after his comment caught her off guard, but they may have misinterpreted it as a glib or flippant remark. Or could their perhaps be another sign near the front desk or cashier, and they missed the initial one coming into the store? Who knows what their thinking was, as a devil's advocate I could come up with a lot of excuses for their behavior, weak though I think they may be. Regardless, I think they handled it poorly.

But as someone else said, $800 is nothing to this store or chain -- the only person who was hurt by the loss of the sale was the OP's daughter. They certainly could have made their protest in a more constructive manner, as it is they've just alienated themselves and their cause by coming across as "just another gun nut." Such behavior hurts us all, IMO. They can be their cause's own worst enemy, much the same as with over-zealous evangelists of other ideologies.

The OP said two pair, which is not unreasonable. The wife and I got ours at the same time last year, and I remember they were over $300 each (high-end lenses but not top-of-the-line, and only mid-range frames). I suppose part of the reason is because it's inside the eye doctor's practice (we're talking a group practice of several opthamalogists and optometrists -- not your dept. store optometrist-of-the-month variety). We've had not so great luck with such large chain eyeglasses, and gladly pay more for the quality and support we get from this doctor's office.

tns0038

In Florida that signs is worthless, and I'd pay no attention to it.

I'll also have to agree with Dave. In Florida about 4% of us have CCL permits, If Tennessee has the same percent of it's citizens having a CCL then banishing that large of a population from entering there store is ludicrous.

But, that's not up to your daughter or even the local manager, and instead of wasting your daughters time, if Mr X felt so strongly about his views of CCL, he should of shopped elsewhere. And for that reason I also agree with "Farronwolf" regarding Mr X lowering the average citizens views of us CCL holders.

rodc13

It's really not a question of whether they lost an actual sale. It's a question of what they think they lost, or will lose. As it appears in the instance Kerbouchard has described, the tactic was, in fact, effective. Signs are gone.

As I mentioned in my first post on this thread, I don't advocate doing something like this very often, if ever. It may have been done poorly in this instance. But a business is most attuned to financial considerations. A threat to the bottom line may cause a business to reconsider an offensive policy. After all, the attitude of the clerk is "What's the matter with you gun people?"

What if 10 couples went into this business in a single day, and showed them receipts where they had spent $800 each at a competitor's business? Would that make a difference?

At any rate, I hope this incident started a meaningful conversation between the OP and his daughter, who, at age 26, If she gets some education and begins to develop a healthy interest in the important issues of the day (as well as her own self-preservation), maybe she'll make a difference.

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ntkb

I would say that the stupid / useless / nonfunctioning /pointless/ and yes even dangerous sign cost a potential $800 sale! It’s time to remove it before we lose more money.

The bad guys are only going to see it as unprotected targets enter here without fear of violent response.

rottkeeper

+1 I think they knew they were not going to purchase anything as soon as they saw the sign. They saw it as a perfect time to bully someone around for there own enjoyment. If they indeed wanted to make a statement it should have been to management before they put a sales person through the wringer. All they did was to give pro 2nd people a black eye.

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Southtexas

I find most posts on this board are well thought out, if I were in your shoes I would take the time to ask your daughter why if she is working as a representative of that company, and this obviously has affected her ability to make income at this point, has she not informed herself on the companies policy? no doubt she has taken the time to learn about their other policies, it looks to me like the policy was never an issue before, or one that didnt matter to her because it didnt affect her income, it has now..... is this something that she really cares about? how many of her customers have done something similar over other issues? Price/service/returnpolicy etc? Part of being in retail is dealing with folks who are "wasting my time"

Honestly I do feel the people would have still bought there IF, she had a better response to the question,
For example if the sign is not legal, she could have been better informed and simply told them "the sign is not an anti gun sign" if you can legally carry then the sign does not apply to you, if on the other hand you are breaking the law then we are simply reminding you that we dont want law breakers in our store, I know it wont deter anyone who wants to break the law, you know it as well, and I appreciate your concern for my safety as well as your own, you know the corporate lawyers,, they have to cyoa,, heck that sign is almost as funny to me as the warning on a cup of coffee.. INSERT SMILE HERE AND THEN SAY, so lets make sure your gonna be able to see any potential threats and get your new perscription filled as soon as possible....
Upon the mention of you,, (implying they knew you or what ever) she could have cheesed them up and said well Pops does like to be able to identify his targets first, so his vision is very important to him,, so is his style,, he went with these frames for this reason,, (get a large frame for better peripheral vision and upsell that jerk)

So now the real question is this, who actually overreacted? did your daughter loose out on a sale because she didnt answer the question in an appropriate manner? what would her boss think about how she answered the question?
has her boss told her how to react to such events? She stated the manager was not in, that the customers would have to come back to talk to the manager regarding their question, so how is it their fault that she lost out on a sale, if the sale were that important to her why didnt she pick up the phone and get an answer to the question right away! If the manager did not answer at that time then she could blame the loss of the sale where it was due,, to management!

Sure the customers were probably being a bit jerkish to her, the fact that they brought up your name indicates they knew who she was, and they may have had some ill feelings over something that you forgot about,, either way the real problem here is not that the sign is there but that the store personell are not trained to answer questions, and they were without proper supervision..

Did it ever occur to you that a lot of people do not know the difference between legal and non legal signs? A lot of people I know think I can not carry anywhere alcohol is sold,,, in fact a police officer once hassled me in my own store and told me "you know your committing a felony by carrying where alcohol is sold dont you" I honestly should have had his sergeant come and educate the leo, but I felt he must have known he was blowing smoke up my rear or he would have been required to arrest me if I was committing a felony,, I think he was just one of those leos who dont like anyone but leos having firearms..

If the sign was that big a deal to them they either intentionally wasted her 2 hours to make a point, the point as they made it is that gun owners are jerks,
or at least thats how your daughter took it,,,,,,,,
or they were asking an honest question, is the intent of the owner to bar legal gun carriers from the bussiness as well. And since your daugher could not answer or did not answer their question they were wise to obey her directive to come back later and talk to the manager.

The point your daughter made to them was she didnt care enough about their question to answer it, So who really lost here? they can get glasses down the street, but your daughter has lost her money,,,,,

havegunjoe

Sorry to say this waynesan but she is the store’s representative when no manager is available. In-other-words she is the store in most people’s eyes. The X’s don’t know her economic situation and probably don’t know how she is paid, or care. If she works in a store with a sign of any kind posted for the public she should know what it means and how it is viewed by some folks so she can give an intelligent answer to their questions.

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JimmyC4

NOT the way to handle it!

My recommendation is to decide not to spend money at a posted merchant before putting a sales clerk through all that--as soon as they entered they should have sought out the manager on duty and expressed their disagreement with the posting, and vow to spend their money elsewhere.

I disagree that she holds management authority in this matter. Yes, she represents the store, but this is definitely a managment policy issue...they beat up on an innocent employee.

Here's the sign they need!