TheGreatGonzo

Oh come on, Jlangton's comparison makes perfect sense! I mean, you can choose to exercise your 2nd Ammendment right to carry a firearm and you can choose to be African American. Oh wait..nope...nope, that is not right. You can choose to be Latino. No, no...that isn't right either. Oh yeah, you are right...it is a ridiculous comparison.
Gonzo

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jlangton

How is it ridiculous?
It was a very small group of people that chose to act and change things when racial discrimination was stopped. It was a small group of people that chose to act and change the laws of the states that allow concealed carry. How is that any different in principal? A small group making a point in a manner that causes someone to pay attention is very effective over time.
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Skygod

Seems to me they just wanted to waste her time. The prior incident and the no guns sign was enough ammunition for them to take your daughter for an hour and refuse the purchase.

Some people just don't have anything better to do. It's why l live alone, outside of town, and I don't bother anyone.

I'm not one to scruff off someones BS. It causes me to be an angry and revengeful SOB, not after the incident, but at the time of the incident I'm likely the guy that spits in your face, shove one down your throat and then urinates on you afterwords.

My town is small. I suspect most don't like me, but they sure as hell would never think of messing with my chidlren and they know to stay the hell away from me.

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IfIhaveto

Everything was cool til the bill came...Probably more than they wanted to spend...

I was showing my rental property to this lady...she loved it...talked about her furniture placement...the minute we talked about security deposit and monthly rent...That's when the property was condemned by her...

TheGreatGonzo

I agree 100% that a small group of people can make a big difference. I also agree we have to fight vigorously to defend our 2nd Ammendment rights. But you specifically stated that those signs were "no different" than "no gun" signs. If you can't see that difference, then there is no way to explain it to you.
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jlangton

In basic principal they are exactly the same.

dis·crim·i·na·tion:
treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.

Doesn't matter how you see it,it is discrimination.
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JerryM

I would hope this incident would make one consider how he should present himself, and his objection to "No Guns" signs.

It does not good to "beat up" the workers who have zero to say about the policy. It might also be that it was the only job available. Personally I would work for an anti-gun business before I would let my family or would go hungry. I don't put that priority on "defending....rights.
I would rather my kids work for an anti-gun business than not work and in the unemployment line.

It is a matter of common courtesy, and priorities. If one wants to be rabid about it, then do not ask me for a meal.

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Jerry

Everyone discriminates, and it is not all bad. But comparing racism with anti-gun is a poor analogy in my view.

Who does not discriminate? I don't have friends who drink, or do drugs, live immoral lifestyles, or are liberal. That is just a few things that cause me to discriminate, but race is not one of them.

For the pro gun couple to take the time from the clerks day, and end up not buying the glasses, and they knew they were not, was rude and not acceptable behavior to me. I would not have such for my friends if they acted that way.

Regards,
Jerry

waynesan

Whewww!!! I posted the OP on this thread this morning after working the night shift last night. I sure didn't expect all the responses that its received but I really appreciate everyone's replies. I guess that's why I love this forum. I think its the best. Regardless of how you come down on this issue, I think there has been a lot of good points made on all sides.

To clarify a couple of things I said this morning:
Mr. X questioned my daughter about "the sign on the door" and he did see it on his way into the store. It was not another sign (there is no other).

As I said about the fender bender there really were no hard feelings. We even were at the same body shop at the same time to check on getting our cars repaired and talked for a few minutes. In the last 30 years and only occasionally passing them in the mall or some such place and saying hi, we did wind up at the same portrait studio about 2 years ago where our families were having photos made. We talked that time for only about 5 minutes about nothing significant. So I really don't think they bore any grudge over time that led them to do what they did at the store where my daughter works. I do know that we have some mutual friends and I'm sure that some of the people who know me better than the Xs have mentioned to them that I am a firearms hobbyest.
She was upset because she had lost the commission, not so much because she was put on the spot by the Xs. And her question of "what's the matter with you gun people?" was just her way of digging in on "ol Dad". She loves to do that with me on a variety of subjects (just like I do her the same).

I hope this clears up any confusion I may have left in the OP.
Great thread and I hope we all learn something from this.

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JerryM

Although we do not know if she had an opportunity to make a sale otherwise, to take a clerks time who works on a commission, and maybe make her miss a sale, is little better than outright stealing from her.

Again, we might ask, "Have I been similarly rude to someone else's daughter or son who was trying to make a living?" Is it OK for us to be rude to others, but not ours?

Regards,
Jerry

DAtrigger

Maybe "Mr. X" is lurking in this forum trying to see all your responses.